Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists' kids 3 minutes ago

AP via Yahoo ^ | 5/22/08

[antceecee]

I quit posting to the FLDS threads. It was hopeless trying to explain the concept of due process and constitutional rights to the self-righteous on those threads. I even made a sarcastic remark about ‘gettin’ muh rope to string ‘em up’ and got kudos for it! They couldn’t see the irony or that they were pursuing a lynch mob mentality.

[Gondring]

If an ordinary joe was doing this in his house he’d have been hauled off to jail years ago and the girls sent to new homes.

Never been to the city before, eh?

[Maximilian]

The pro-CPS folks were rude and condescending, but I saw NO evidence they would match your description.

It goes beyond rude and condescending. For example, just a few posts above, a pro-CPS person told another FR member "why don't you go join NAMBLA?" Similar ad hominem attacks of a truly contemptible nature have been par for the course among the gang who seem to have made it their full-time job to defend the government seizure of 465 children.

They are good people who really do care for the children, who simply don’t see the harm in what the CPS did.

Anyone who doesn't recognize the fundamental necessity for the rule of law and the protection of constitutional rights is a dangerous liberal in my book. Of course all dangerous liberals say "it's for the children." That only makes them more dangerous.

But your attempt to be charitable is appreciated, nonetheless, as an example we could all do to imitate.

[Soliton]

You have just said that all Christian children are being raped, forced to bear children at young ages and forced into spiritual marriages not knowing the difference because they are brainwashed

US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.

Individuals making accusations: 10,667.

Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.

Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female

Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.

Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).

Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.

Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)

[Utah Girl]

Yep, and a couple of the women thought to be underage were actually in their early twenties. CPS said they had no documents, then it turns out the women had Utah driver’s licenses and Utah birth certificates that backed up their claims. Oops on CPS.

[commonguymd]

It is refreshing to see others speaking up after so many were silenced by a small government can do no wrong mob that squelched questions by cruel accusations.

[Gondring]

I can’t find anyone to tell me where Texas lied and is denying due process

As if lying is the only problem.

If they operated in good faith, then the officers and the judge are incompetent.

[El Gato]

If the FLDS can get all these kids sent back to them with no strings attached, what’s to stop NAMBLA from setting up an isolated compound in Texas to keep their kids hidden in for their own sick purposes?

Application of Texas law under individual due process? Although Texas sodomy laws have been overturned, by the federal courts under the emanations from the penumbra of the federal Constitution, those against child sexual abuse are still in force.

[Saundra Duffy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_QG1UqHLs

Apparently some of the buses used to cart off the FLDS kids were donated by the Baptists.

[commonguymd]

By design? Perhaps. An Approved Government religion? For now.

[Gondring]

Of course all dangerous liberals say "it's for the children."

[Gondring]

I am glad the Baptists provided the buses to help out. I understood that there weren’t many available, and the First Baptist Church also provided care for the children. Good people...Thank you for the video.

[commonguymd]

But hey, its not a tank though, right? They needed protection from rattle snakes.

[El Gato]

What I’m getting at is it won’t be long before CAIR demands we permit Sharia Law for the Muslim community residing in the US.

Their equivalent in Jolly Olde already has IIRC. Our time is coming, but unlike the Brits, Americans are armed, quite well armed in fact.

[Utah Girl]

If you don’t do it right, you stand to jeopardize the whole case. And here we are.

Very well said.

[Old Mountain man]

What many people here on FR fail to understand is that freedom is more important than the trumped up stuff and made up “facts” that are being released by the CPS.

We must not surrender to the government minions that demand to rule every aspect of our lives.

[Gondring]

You weren't the only one...but I took comfort in how other people noted how foolish and childish they were when they tried their ad hominem garbage.

[commonguymd]

Yes. But many look to the government to missionary them and to control theirs and others lives in sanctimony.

[Gondring]

I don't know all the details unlike many kneejerks on this thread.

hehehe

[jabchae]

So you think the Texas CPS withheld evidence from the Texas appeals court? That would not be a very good strategy for an agency that must continually go before the courts of the state of Texas.

I don't know whether this happened in this case in Texas, but it happens plenty in other states. When the parents don't get to attend or have a rep at the hearing before the judge, it's much easier to pull off.