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Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists' kids 3 minutes ago
AP via Yahoo ^ | 5/22/08

Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.

The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.

Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.

The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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To: takenoprisoner

Spare me. You are in such denial.


501 posted on 05/22/2008 3:37:08 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: atruelady

We only have the CPS word that the men said “no sarah lived there”. Given how many times CPS has been caught telling falsehoods, it’s likely the men said there was no Sarah matching the DESCRIPTION that lived there.

And so far, no Sarah matching the description HAS been found. No statement from the CPS that they have records of a girl going to the hospital with broken ribs either. And we have a woman in another state who used the cell phone used to make the phone calls.


502 posted on 05/22/2008 3:39:23 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tired of Taxes

To defend my honor, I had no idea who he was either, until I started dating my husband and saw the picture in his office. He says he told me who it was just because he wanted to be sure I knew who I was getting involved with. AND, I’ve never seen any of his movies. :oP


503 posted on 05/22/2008 3:39:38 PM PDT by Melpomene
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To: atruelady
By your standard, even 911 operators should doubt and try to sort out people dying. Come on people! They acted on what they thought was a true emergency

Lets see the call came in the end of march the raid in april about a week between the call and the raid.

If they felt it was a true emergency why take a week to act.

504 posted on 05/22/2008 3:40:01 PM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: Maximilian

The reason you need DNA is this:

You have young women age 18-22 who have 5-9 kids. If the cult says no rape is going on, where did these kids come from? Also, the kids are claiming more than one parent.

Ex-members of the cult have widely said that children are moved around as leverage.

Why are you not looking at the reports of several ex-members who showed up in Texas recently to see if their kids taken from them (illegally) are there?

If you ask why they didn’t press charges, the answer is obvious. The FDLS sickos most-likely threatened the life of the kids.


505 posted on 05/22/2008 3:40:38 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: atruelady

There was never a 14 year old having a baby born in CPS captivity.


506 posted on 05/22/2008 3:40:47 PM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Eva; HeartlandOfAmerica

Neither of you have ever volunteered with a domestic violence shelter or hotline. Do it first before trying to be an authority on the matter. Most shelters and hotlines to no have caller ID.


507 posted on 05/22/2008 3:42:22 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: Bushwacker777

I have 6 sisters and 3 brothers. Tell me brainiac, where is my contempt for large families? My dad had only one wife (as stated before) and my mother didn’t have 400 kids.


508 posted on 05/22/2008 3:43:47 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: patton

That report also revealed that this was the ONLY 14-year-old they had claimed as being pregnant.

It appears the CPS manufactured a pregnancy so they could say “14-17 year olds are pregnant”, in order to help keep the public supportive of the CPS.

It sure worked here. I can’t count how many times I was told I was supporting child abuse because of that 14-year-old.

Now, think the CPS will apologize for harming the reputation of a 14-year-old-girl by falsely claiming that she had sex and was pregnant?


509 posted on 05/22/2008 3:44:01 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peter Libra
Before they are deprogrammed and want a normal existance.

Who gets to define "normal". You? The State? Your church rather than theirs? Who?

Are the women guilty of "thought crimes"?

510 posted on 05/22/2008 3:45:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: JLS

Yes, well, no one ever said I was the bright one.


511 posted on 05/22/2008 3:45:33 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: tobyhill

The information provided to obtain the warrant and affidavits are public knowledge. There are links on this thread and others. Look it up. I am not going to hold your hand. I have read the info. You have not.


512 posted on 05/22/2008 3:45:35 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: CharlesWayneCT; atruelady
But atruelady who is hyperventilating will continue to posit as fact.
513 posted on 05/22/2008 3:46:05 PM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

The pro-CPS folks were rude and condescending, but I saw NO evidence they would match your description.

They are good people who really do care for the children, who simply don’t see the harm in what the CPS did.


514 posted on 05/22/2008 3:47:02 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

“Boy, you have a SERIOUS problem and I probably won’t be replying to you anymore. “

Thank goodness for that. You provide no proof of anything you say, however, the proof that Texas has not lied and acted in good faith is overwhelming.


515 posted on 05/22/2008 3:47:46 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I am not talking about the caller. I am talking about the teens and young women who have lots of kids who won’t talk about who obvioulsy fathered their kids when they were only 14 or 15. There is an investigation going on, you know.


516 posted on 05/22/2008 3:50:04 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: atruelady

If due process was followed there then due process is followed here by the court claiming they should have never been taken. I just heard on the evening news that the appeals court slammed the lower court’s ruling.


517 posted on 05/22/2008 3:50:48 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Maximilian

It just occurred to me that DNA does not prove paternaty either. The law presumes if our mother is married, her husband is our father. DNA does not change that.


518 posted on 05/22/2008 3:50:49 PM PDT by JLS
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To: ElkGroveDan

Well I don’t like it. If the state can’t protect children from an abusive law-breaking cult, then why do we even bother having a state government?

Sorry but it’s ILLEGAL to keep harems of underage girls. If an ordinary joe was doing this in his house he’d have been hauled off to jail years ago and the girls sent to new homes. Why should these FDLS people be treated any differently.

I say leave a religious sect alone unless they start breaking the law and then bring down the hammer on them. We have laws for a reason!


519 posted on 05/22/2008 3:51:57 PM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: atruelady

There was no pregnant 14-year-old. CPS had to admit today that they were wrong.


520 posted on 05/22/2008 3:52:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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