Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.
The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.
Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.
The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.
Spare me. You are in such denial.
We only have the CPS word that the men said “no sarah lived there”. Given how many times CPS has been caught telling falsehoods, it’s likely the men said there was no Sarah matching the DESCRIPTION that lived there.
And so far, no Sarah matching the description HAS been found. No statement from the CPS that they have records of a girl going to the hospital with broken ribs either. And we have a woman in another state who used the cell phone used to make the phone calls.
To defend my honor, I had no idea who he was either, until I started dating my husband and saw the picture in his office. He says he told me who it was just because he wanted to be sure I knew who I was getting involved with. AND, I’ve never seen any of his movies. :oP
Lets see the call came in the end of march the raid in april about a week between the call and the raid.
If they felt it was a true emergency why take a week to act.
The reason you need DNA is this:
You have young women age 18-22 who have 5-9 kids. If the cult says no rape is going on, where did these kids come from? Also, the kids are claiming more than one parent.
Ex-members of the cult have widely said that children are moved around as leverage.
Why are you not looking at the reports of several ex-members who showed up in Texas recently to see if their kids taken from them (illegally) are there?
If you ask why they didn’t press charges, the answer is obvious. The FDLS sickos most-likely threatened the life of the kids.
There was never a 14 year old having a baby born in CPS captivity.
Neither of you have ever volunteered with a domestic violence shelter or hotline. Do it first before trying to be an authority on the matter. Most shelters and hotlines to no have caller ID.
I have 6 sisters and 3 brothers. Tell me brainiac, where is my contempt for large families? My dad had only one wife (as stated before) and my mother didn’t have 400 kids.
That report also revealed that this was the ONLY 14-year-old they had claimed as being pregnant.
It appears the CPS manufactured a pregnancy so they could say “14-17 year olds are pregnant”, in order to help keep the public supportive of the CPS.
It sure worked here. I can’t count how many times I was told I was supporting child abuse because of that 14-year-old.
Now, think the CPS will apologize for harming the reputation of a 14-year-old-girl by falsely claiming that she had sex and was pregnant?
Who gets to define "normal". You? The State? Your church rather than theirs? Who?
Are the women guilty of "thought crimes"?
Yes, well, no one ever said I was the bright one.
The information provided to obtain the warrant and affidavits are public knowledge. There are links on this thread and others. Look it up. I am not going to hold your hand. I have read the info. You have not.
The pro-CPS folks were rude and condescending, but I saw NO evidence they would match your description.
They are good people who really do care for the children, who simply don’t see the harm in what the CPS did.
“Boy, you have a SERIOUS problem and I probably won’t be replying to you anymore. “
Thank goodness for that. You provide no proof of anything you say, however, the proof that Texas has not lied and acted in good faith is overwhelming.
I am not talking about the caller. I am talking about the teens and young women who have lots of kids who won’t talk about who obvioulsy fathered their kids when they were only 14 or 15. There is an investigation going on, you know.
If due process was followed there then due process is followed here by the court claiming they should have never been taken. I just heard on the evening news that the appeals court slammed the lower court’s ruling.
It just occurred to me that DNA does not prove paternaty either. The law presumes if our mother is married, her husband is our father. DNA does not change that.
Well I don’t like it. If the state can’t protect children from an abusive law-breaking cult, then why do we even bother having a state government?
Sorry but it’s ILLEGAL to keep harems of underage girls. If an ordinary joe was doing this in his house he’d have been hauled off to jail years ago and the girls sent to new homes. Why should these FDLS people be treated any differently.
I say leave a religious sect alone unless they start breaking the law and then bring down the hammer on them. We have laws for a reason!
There was no pregnant 14-year-old. CPS had to admit today that they were wrong.
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