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To Hate or Not to Hate?
Campus Report ^ | May 20, 2008 | Bethany Stotts

Posted on 05/20/2008 1:56:59 PM PDT by bs9021

To Hate or Not to Hate?

by: Bethany Stotts, May 20, 2008

With the Sean Bell and Rodney King scandals elevating public concern about racially-motivated violence, support for federal hate-crimes legislation has intensified. Some scholars worry that such proposals use dangerously vague language.

“One thing you have to keep in mind with the hate-crimes statute is that it is drafted extremely broadly. You hear it referred to as a ‘hate crime’ statute—it is therefore natural to believe it must require hatred. It does not,” argued Professor Gail Heriot. She believes that H.R. 1592 masks lawmakers’ long-standing desire to radically expand hate crimes to include rape and other violent acts.

In its current form, prosecutors need only prove that a crime was committed “because of” demographic factors, and need not establish malice, argue opponents. The bill, also known as the “Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007,” was passed by the House last May and then referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“This was not simply sloppy draftsmanship. The language was chosen deliberately,” argued Heriot. The University of San Diego law professor described traveling to Washington, D.C. in the 1990’s to complain about similarly vague language. She said,

“A decade ago I had an opportunity when I was working on the Hill to discuss this with representatives of the Clinton Administration from the Justice Department and I innocently thought that this was drafted this way simply because no one was thinking. And I said ‘Hey, what about this rape situation? Isn’t that going to mean that every rape, the person acted because of the gender of the victim?’ ...They absolutely refused to say that the statute would not cover all rapes. That was something that they definitely wanted to hold as a possibility.”...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: hatecrimes; hr1592; racism; rape

1 posted on 05/20/2008 1:57:00 PM PDT by bs9021
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To: bs9021

Could it be that the lawmakers need to take a step back, realize that their idea is faulty, and go back to punishing crimes irrespective of the perpetrators’ thoughts? They’re in a hole and they won’t stop digging. Release your egos, and admit you were wrong.


2 posted on 05/20/2008 2:00:38 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (Where's Michele??)
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To: bs9021

It’s not that difficult. If a white commits a crime against a black, it is a hate crime. In the rarer case where a white commits a crime against a black, it is a hate crime.


3 posted on 05/20/2008 2:02:52 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

Try again....It’s not that difficult. If a black commits a crime against a white, it is not a hate crime. In the rarer case where a commits a crime against a black, it is a hate crime.


4 posted on 05/20/2008 2:04:25 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: bs9021

“hate crime” laws were created for one reason and one reason only. To put more Whites in jail.


5 posted on 05/20/2008 2:05:22 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is a serious mental disturbance)
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To: bs9021
And I said ‘Hey, what about this rape situation? Isn’t that going to mean that every rape, the person acted because of the gender of the victim?’ ...They absolutely refused to say that the statute would not cover all rapes. That was something that they definitely wanted to hold as a possibility.”...

If lawmakers want to enact stiffer penalties for rape, why don't they just do that? What's the benefit of making rape a "gender hate" crime?

6 posted on 05/20/2008 2:06:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If Global Warming did not exist, the left would have to invent it. In fact, they did." ~Don Feder)
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To: bs9021

The criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington hates freedom. Too bad there’s no active statute to prosecute that.


7 posted on 05/20/2008 2:40:43 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: bs9021
To mention Rodney King with Mr. Bell seems morally offensive. IMO.

With the Sean Bell and Rodney King scandals elevating public concern about racially-motivated violence . . . .

Yes, when the belligerent Mr. King was stopped after an eight-mile chase. "Sgt. Stacey Koon of the LAPD . . . directed four officers to jump on King. King threw them off his back. He was sweating on a cold night, it was obvious he was drunk. He pointed at the sky, he called around, he made strange noises, he waggled his buttocks at the woman officer, all of these things. They suspected he was on PCP, and they knew he was strong. . . ."

The rest we know. The MSM employees edited the tape and a city exploded, people died, pepole were maimed, property was destroyed -- and all because of MSM employees.

8 posted on 05/20/2008 2:42:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: bs9021

THEY can make laws until the sun burns out. I will hate whom I wish to hate. I will speak they way I want to speak, and think the way I want to think.

THEY should be thankful that I have not acted the way THEY make me want to act.

Funny, I am 59 years old and I had refrained from hating anyone until 911 changed the world. Prior to 911, I held distain and disgust for many folks because of their actions.

MSM and the traitors within my own country has taught me by their actions to broaden my hate.....It would be a good thing if THEY stopped trying to force us into a corner, so to speak.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 3:16:21 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama is a member of the Far Wright Conspiracy.......)
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To: bs9021
And I said "Hey, what about this rape situation? Isn't that going to mean that every rape, the person acted because of the gender of the victim?"

I am so glad I am no longer a college student. Men are being set up so much bigtime unawares...

But this is a good thing, right? The more of THEM that end up in prison, the fewer of THEM that graduate, leaving the employment market ever wider for those of us who skated through the liberal/feminist gauntlet untouched.

Bring it on, and consider hiring me instead of these FELONS.

/ sarc

10 posted on 05/20/2008 6:18:58 PM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters!)
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To: Tax-chick

It is easier to get civl rights laws passed if you can prove the people in question are discriminated against or mistreated. ERA?


11 posted on 05/20/2008 10:28:54 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Michelle O's handlers: "Get me white people...!!!")
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To: Always Right

“Thoughtcrime”..


12 posted on 05/21/2008 6:44:38 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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