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McCain calls for 700+ new nuclear plants costing $4 trillion
grist.org ^ | 06 May 2008 | Joseph Romm

Posted on 05/19/2008 9:54:02 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe

McCain isn’t setting a goal of 80%. It’s rhetoric. France gets 80% of their electricity from Nuclear, why can’t we? That means why can’t we get a lot more of our electricity, not 80%.

There are methods of generation we have no need to replace, like hydroelectric, that France has no access to.

We have a lot more land, so we should be able to get to 10% of our electricity from solar and wind power.

Ignoring ecological effects, we have an “unlimited” supply of coal, so we don’t need to replace our coal burning plants.

The plants we want to replace are the oil plants (which are a very small number) and our gas-fired plants, which I think are 30%.

Then we need to double our electric output to help with whatever the next generation cars need — either recharged batteries, or hydrogen gas.


41 posted on 05/19/2008 10:12:04 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (Green, but not gullible)
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To: MNJohnnie
Congress can simply pass legislation instructing the bureaucracy ...

The big obstacle standing in McCain's way -- he may well call for whatever he wants to, but CONGRESS holds the purse strings, CONGRESS must do it. I wish the man luck, but Dems in control, I've got my doubts.

42 posted on 05/19/2008 10:12:40 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: cripplecreek

Low bid and cheap labor??? Yeah I want one in my neighborhood.


43 posted on 05/19/2008 10:13:30 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Tailgunner Joe

For 1 million US, one can buy a mini nuke plant from the Japanese. The plant will put out 1000k for 100 years. pretty cool, wish I had a million bucks to spare. Wish the Feds woould allow me to buy one. BTW most homes can be run on 50k so the unit could power 20 homes.

Numbers above from memory, think there are pretty close.


44 posted on 05/19/2008 10:14:05 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Is that the Toshiba turnkey unit? $1 million? Actually would not be so impossible if the 20 residential units would care to split the cost.


45 posted on 05/19/2008 10:17:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: massgopguy
Yes, we get electricity from Nuclear Power Plants but only about 4% from Oil fired power plants. It’s the other 1,100 products we get from petroleum that we need the free flow of oil to support.

On threads about electric cars, there is the question, "Where does the electricity coming from"?".

Nuclear power and electric cars go together.

46 posted on 05/19/2008 10:17:57 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: massgopguy

“Yes, we get eletricity from Nuclear Power Plants but only about 4% from Oil fired power plants. It’s the othe 1,100 products we get from petroleum that we need the free flow of oil to support”

Ahhh....the beauty of technology!!!

I remember when Mitt Romney brought this up a few months ago. The beautiful thing about it is that there IS a cap on the price of oil. And it may be one we can lower with increased research and experience. But we need efficient nuclear power first!

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/federal-lab-says-it-can-harvest-fuel-from-air/index.html?ref=science

“This plan has a minor hurdle, too; the electricity for driving the chemical processes, according to a white paper describing the overarching concept, would come from nuclear power. The proposal says it’d be worth it to have a payoff of steady, secure streams of methanol and gasoline with no carbon added to the atmosphere (and a price for gasoline at the pump of perhaps $4.60 a gallon — comparable to petroleum-based fuels as oil becomes harder to find).”

http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php/fuseaction/home.story/story_id/12554


47 posted on 05/19/2008 10:19:49 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And the point of the article is..? That McCain can’t do math? Nuclear power is too French? Excuse me, “uber-French”.


48 posted on 05/19/2008 10:20:51 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: chopperman

You might be interested in some of the articles I posted on this thread. Going nuclear has the potential to allow us to create synthetic, clean-burning hydrocarbon fuels to power our cars, planes, and boats, as well.

It’s not just that we produce cleaner, more efficient energy. It’s that with a little technological development, we may be able to send a middle finger to the Middle East if they start going bonkers again.


49 posted on 05/19/2008 10:23:12 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: cripplecreek

You’re right— it’s a fantasy. But it’s the first time I’ve heard a candidate actually mention a realistic solution to energy independence.


50 posted on 05/19/2008 10:24:08 AM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: babble-on

“If we had kept building them all along, think how much better off we would be”

Ding! Ding! Ding!

That, refinery capacity, and drilling in for oil where it is found! Lay the current problems at the feet of the tree-hugging, fire-hating, nuclear fearing left.

ruefully


51 posted on 05/19/2008 10:24:13 AM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavor survives an excess of "adult supervision" (read bureaucracy)!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bttt


52 posted on 05/19/2008 10:25:03 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: RightWhale
"Toshiba"

Yea, thanks I forgot it's name. And it is turnkey and standalone, no maintenance required. (Probably void the warranty if you open it up LOL). Just put in the a concrete building with no door. LOL. I think the idea is very good and Americans should be allowed to buy them! Also shoot on sight anyone hanging around the building.

53 posted on 05/19/2008 10:25:33 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“McCain is repeating his little-noticed uber-Francophile statement from his big April 2007 speech on energy policy, “If France can produce 80 percent of its electricity with nuclear power, why can’t we?””

Don’t know if this should be considered “francophilic,” merely conjecture regarding the lack of new plant construction over the last 20-30 years or so.


54 posted on 05/19/2008 10:27:29 AM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavor survives an excess of "adult supervision" (read bureaucracy)!)
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To: MozarkDawg
The big obstacle standing in McCain's way -- he may well call for whatever he wants to, but CONGRESS holds the purse strings, CONGRESS must do it. I wish the man luck, but Dems in control, I've got my doubts.

I think even with a Republican Congress he'll still have to do some housecleaning at the bureaucracies. The beltway bureaucracy is a natural constituent and ally of the Democrats. Most of them owe their jobs and allegiance to the New Deal, and they have years of experience at turning what's supposed to be a "fast track approval" into a red-tape nightmare if they want to.

55 posted on 05/19/2008 10:27:45 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Keep it up, John McCain, you might actually get my vote, ya big lug!


56 posted on 05/19/2008 10:29:25 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: agooga

Unfortunately it’s not the first time I’ve heard a politician throw wildly unrealistic “solutions” out in an attempt to gain votes.

We can’t build a single oil refinery and McCain thinks he can get 700 nuke plants built?


57 posted on 05/19/2008 10:31:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I suspect McCain’s vision is to have one design and have it approved at the highest level...and then duplicate the design in every single case. He’ll likely pick out federal property in the middle nowhere....like Nevada or Arizona or Colorado...in smaller populated counties where they would have little arguement about bringing in money to a small county. As for the environmental guys...they may find themselves in a fight where McCain goes to the public sentiment every single time and gets public support.

We seem to underestimate his “charm” with speeches and the public attitude. I think this guy is more than capable of duplicating Reagan’s charm...and just might be the “Teddy” that we’ve been waiting on for the last 100 years. I’m not much of a McCain fan....but the guy knows how to make a decent speech...which you can’t say for Bush.


58 posted on 05/19/2008 10:35:42 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

When I hear him give a speach...it sounds like he’s talking to 10 year old girls.


59 posted on 05/19/2008 10:40:33 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Don't Hose Me, Bro...!!!)
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To: agere_contra

Supposedly Toshiba has made a small nuclear power plant. http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-toshiba-micro-nuclear-12.17b.html


60 posted on 05/19/2008 10:42:37 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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