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'There Goes the Neighborhood' -- again
Casper Star-Tribune ^ | May 19, 2008 | JEFF GEARINO

Posted on 05/19/2008 4:50:54 AM PDT by SLB

GREEN RIVER -- The prairie dog rises above its burrow on the high plains of southern Wyoming and takes a casual look around.

Seconds later, the animal disappears in an explosion of blood and dirt. The self-described "shortgrass sniper" dressed in camouflage and orange chuckles for the camera and gets ready to fire again.

With thousands of hits on YouTube, this popular prairie dog video by Colorado hunter Jim Bowman advises hunters to get ready for the upcoming prairie dog killing contest in southern Wyoming's Carbon County.

The controversial, fifth annual, three-day "There Goes the Neighborhood" prairie dog killing contest is scheduled to begin May 31 on private lands around Medicine Bow, organizer Bowman said.

Bowman, a machinist who lives in Kersey, Colo., said the event drew 38 participants last year, mostly from Colorado and Wyoming. He said this year's event will include the first-ever "world championship, long-range prairie dog sniper event" scheduled for June 1.

"I think we're going to have a really good hunt this year," Bowman said in a phone interview. "And if we get some controversy out there, we're ready to handle that, too. We'll see what happens."

Bowman said he formed an organization after last year's hunt, Prairie Dog Posse, to promote the event and to provide a "voice" for prairie dog shooters.

The group's Web site boasts that members are "a fun crowd who likes to dust prairie dogs from to dawn to dusk."

Duane Short, wild species program director for the Laramie-based Biodiversity Conservation Alliance, criticized the event and said it's unfortunate that Wyoming continues to allow "disgraceful" prairie dog shooting contests.

"It's hard to find any socially or environmentally redeeming qualities to this kind of shoot ... The barbarism of this event is enough to turn one's stomach," Short said.

Bowman said participants pay a $20 per person and four canned goods for the group's "Hunters for the Hungry Program." Members of the armed services get half off, he said. Prizes are awarded based on the number of prairie dogs killed.

Bowman said the canned goods are donated to local food banks and to needy families.

Blood sport

Like most Western states, Wyoming allows year-round hunting of the prairie dog and classifies the rodent as a nongame animal. The Wyoming Department of Agriculture has classified the animal as a pest worthy of extermination any time, any place and by any means.

Part of the appeal to prairie dog shooters is that no license is needed to hunt in Wyoming. Nor is there a bag limit on the animal. Moreover, the Wyoming Board of Outfitters and Professional Guides does not require a license to guide prairie dog hunters.

Federal biologists say prairie dog populations declined rapidly last century, due in large part to sylvatic plague, regulated and unregulated poisoning by government agencies and private landowners, loss of habitat and unregulated shooting.

While many ranchers and others in Wyoming kill prairie dogs on private and public lands, western wildlife agencies including the Wyoming Game and Fish Department have been working to conserve the animal through interstate agreements and state management plans.

Several times over the last decade conservation groups have petitioned to have the prairie dog listed under the Endangered Species Act, though federal officials have determined the prairie dog's current status does not warrant a listing. Further review of the animals' status is under way.

Bowman contends that the annual prairie dog shoot helps ranchers eliminate -- without the use of poisons and other chemicals that are harmful to the environment and other wildlife -- unwanted prairie dogs.

"I think what we're doing is certainly not hurting the environment ... I think there are still plenty of prairie dogs (in Wyoming) to go around," he said.

"If we thought they were really an endangered species, we certainly wouldn't have the shoot ... We're not like that," Bowman said. "We're doing everything legal and above board ... One thing about us is that we're not running from anybody."

Ban the event?

Animal rights activists such as the Prairie Dog Coalition and conservation groups including Biodiversity believe shooting prairie dogs in contests is an abhorrent, cruel and unnecessary blood sport that should be stopped in Wyoming.

The groups have asked the Game and Fish Department to ban prairie dog killing contests such as Bowman's.

"It makes absolutely no sense to allow these prairie dog kill-fests to continue ... (The department) should immediately act" to ban the events, Short said.

Lindsey Sterling Crank, executive director of the Prairie Dog Coalition, said it was important to "stop sending the message to our children that it's OK to shoot and kill their heritage. The fact is these practices are cruel and inhumane."

Recent studies have shown prairie dog shooting contests have a "residual, negative physical and ecological effect" on prairie dog colonies, and feeding and reproductive behavior, Short said in a phone interview.

"The bullets used are also typically non-jacketed, hollow-point, exploding bullets designed to 'mist' the prairie dog, which is a pretty despicable practice," he said.

"Those exploding lead bullets turn into sand-sized grains ... that are picked up by any species that scavenge on corpses," Short said.

He said carcasses containing those lead fragments can poison hawks, foxes, black-footed ferrets and burrowing owls, among other animals that feed on prairie dogs.

Southwest Wyoming bureau reporter Jeff Gearino can be reached at 307-875-5359 or at gearino@tribcsp.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: banglist; hunting; prairiedogs; shooting; varmints
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To: AuntB; Knitebane
Actually Aunt, I'm not a city boy.
However, I will say in my defense that I haven't ever had to worry about prairie dogs or rats to the point that I went hunting them to alleviate a problem.

I understand killing to alleviate a varmint problem. It's just that my varmints have always been coyote size or larger.

And everything you listed, Aunt, I have eaten. I really wouldn't want to make it an everyday thing but if pushed, I could. That includes prairie dog.

I understand the difference between killing for food and killing to alleviate a varmint problem but I'll be damned if I'm going to travel to kill varmints for someone else.

41 posted on 05/19/2008 1:09:46 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: NavVet
For a racnher to be gratifgied and even happy over the elimination of such a varmin and the damage it can do does not seem twisted to me at all, which is what I was refering to.

There is a large difference between that gratification and sadism, which sounds more akin to what you are describing and which I agree is not healthy.

42 posted on 05/19/2008 1:30:00 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Varmint Al; hiredhand

Back at ya VA ! Wrung out a few thousand .223’s for use in my TC Encore Pistol with a 2-12X LER Burris and harris bipod on Sod Poodles this year ! So far they are still winning !!......LOL !

Thanks for the great post and your time Sir !

Stay safe ,


43 posted on 05/19/2008 3:02:21 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: dangerdoc

Apples and Oranges. If the dogs aren’t endangered and they are a pest, then lock and load, but those doing it for pure sport are sick pups plain and simple.


44 posted on 05/19/2008 3:35:32 PM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Flamethrower


45 posted on 05/19/2008 6:16:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: Varmint Al

Thanks for posting information to clarify this whole thing.


46 posted on 05/19/2008 6:20:49 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: NavVet

How did you ambush them?


47 posted on 05/19/2008 6:21:58 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: Squantos

Good info! Thanks for the ping buddy! :-)


48 posted on 05/19/2008 7:58:44 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: AuntB

I live in a county with one traffic light and I don’t live in town. I lived out west for a good chunk of my life and I never met a self respecting man who killed prairie dogs for pleasure. In fact, never met anyone I considered a man who did that kind of pointless killing. Like I said, that kind of activity is for fools and cowards.


49 posted on 05/19/2008 8:46:59 PM PDT by Wpin
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To: sportutegrl

Now, I didn’t say hunting (which entails using the meat) is bad. Indeed, I have heard Prairie Dog stew is wonderful and would like to try it someday. I simply do not abide this “pleasure killing” of animals that is done simply for killing sake.


50 posted on 05/19/2008 8:56:31 PM PDT by Wpin
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To: wastedyears

Pick a good hiding place at the top of the hill and wait and wait and wait. Once they thought I was gone they would eventually come out to dine on fresh watermelon. Generally only got one shot. Often they would wait us out, until we gave up and walked back down the hill. Once we were out of range they would come out like they didn’t have a care in the world.


51 posted on 05/20/2008 1:35:29 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: hiredhand

I checked out what I claim are “a few representative samples” of load data for jacketed bullets vs. cast bullets in my Lyman’s reloading manual.

The cast bullets almost invariably show loads which put them at about 75% of the velocity of the comparable-weight jacketed bullet.


52 posted on 05/20/2008 7:12:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: hiredhand
Of Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs.
53 posted on 05/20/2008 7:29:48 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
The cast bullets almost invariably show loads which put them at about 75% of the velocity of the comparable-weight jacketed bullet.

Somebody reading this will invariably know more about it, or in more detail than I do. But there are a number of problems using cast lead in modern high powered, center fire "varmint" cartridges such as the 6mm Rem, .243 Winchester, .22-250, and .220 Swift. Lead is much less forgiving to heat and pressure, and lest we forget, there is a great deal of both shortly after the moment of propellant ignition. Hence the entire reason for using gas checks...to protect the base of the (relatively soft) lead bullet from heat and pressure. I've never seen this personally before, but I've been told that a lead bullet loaded in front of a "hot" propellant charge will disfigure the base of the bullet, and cause it to spin off its axis immediately upon departing from the barrel.

For grins and giggles, try some performance and accuracy testing with "lead VS copper-jacketed" bullets. I don't "think" you'll hurt anything...other than making your arm sore getting the lead out of the bore after wards!

I guess the "exploding lead hollow-point bullets" is why Barnes, Berger, Hornaday, and Nosler (just to name a few) sell so MANY of them! (you KNOW I'm being sarcastic!) :-)

I'll try to get my hands on some lead .243 or .308 bullets soon and do some testing at 600 yards, which is a "decent" varmint shot. I'm used to striking "small critter" sized targets at this range and I can't even imagine keeping that sort of accuracy with a lead bullet, so we'll probably end up reducing the range to perhaps 200 to 300 yards. But I think it would be interesting to see the differences. :-) If you beat me to it, let me know!

I STILL say the best thing for exploding small varmints are Nosler Ballistic Tips. :-)
54 posted on 05/20/2008 7:34:48 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: DuncanWaring; Squantos; Gilbo_3
It just occured to me what the entire basis for this "exploding lead hollow point bullet" story is...

The author got a good close up look at somebody's moly coated HP ammo. Think about it. It "looks" like pencil lead, it rubs off on your fingers and leaves a residue like pencil led. You have to rub a LOT of it off to tell that there is copper underneath of it.

So somebody either used a moly coated bullet and fed this jack ass the story, and he repeated it... or he deduced it himself by making uneducated observations about moly coated ammo.

I've got a box of .243 ammo in the other room loaded with 6mm, 90gr Berger VLDs. I just peeked at them and by golly, looks like "hollow pointed lead bullets" to me! ..and I can tell you from first hand experience that they definitely "mist" small critters! So there you have it...non-jacketed, hollow-point, exploding (lead) bullets!

He's still full of crap, and waging an information war against the big mean varmint hunters with guns.

But I'm betting that he got a good close up look at a moly coated bullet. I'll bet that's what happened. :-)
55 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:27 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: hiredhand

That would do it.


56 posted on 05/20/2008 8:00:35 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
I'll bet one of those hunters who told him all about the "evil ammo" is laughing up his sleeve over this! :-)

If the author believes crap like this, they could have REALLY had him going with some story about the differences in ballistic tip type bullets and the different colors. Hornady makes one that's red, Nosler makes them green, and purple.

They could have probably made up some story about the extra special "inertial guidance system" bullets that are literally "fire and forget"!...and how they "home in" on their target after being fired! :-)

They could have told him anything probably... :-) It just so happens that they most likely told him they were using "special", non-jacketed, exploding lead bullets. :-)
57 posted on 05/20/2008 8:12:12 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: hiredhand

And the Nosler green tips are environmentally enlightened.


58 posted on 05/20/2008 8:16:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: wastedyears

Images of “Caddyshack” lol


59 posted on 05/21/2008 6:53:01 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: DuncanWaring
And the Nosler green tips are environmentally enlightened.

THAT is what I'm going to tell the next person who asks me why some of the ammo is green tipped...because it's "environmentally friendly"! :-)

In truth, that's not altogether untrue because those green tips assist greatly in starting the "dirt conversion" process of varmints!
60 posted on 05/21/2008 7:56:59 AM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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