DUmmies discussed "communist-islamist" overthrow of gov'mt before 2004 elections

several sources | several authors

[Eye On The Left]

Charging the 2000 presidential election was 'rigged', the DUmmies swore they were not going to allow it to happen again in 2004 (Kerry defeated like Al Gore in 2000).

Post from: Lori Price CLG (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-22-2004 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #10

16. Yes, spread the word, even if you *didn't* read it, that there *will* be riots! Yes! Riots, and a whole lot more!..."

Democratic Underground blogger ("happyslug": 1000+ posts) responds...

"if it is decided to fight, be prepared to fight, bring a backpack, entrenching tool, tent, and other equipment of an Infantrymen. You will need it for Bush and his supporters decides it is better to fight than to accept the will of the people, the fight to overthrow them will be a long fight."

"...it takes three things to overthrow a tyrant;...

1. Popular support, you must have the majority of the people on your side (i.e. Democracy, even the Communists and Islamics both try to show they have the Support of the Majority of the People),

2. Organization to perform the overthrow (This is why Madison wrote the First like he did, these are HOW you organize an opposition. Without the First it is hard to organize an opposition and any resistence organized in absence of the rights stated in the First tend to be as tyrannical as what you are opposing)

3. Weapons to push the issue if the leadership that is being overthrown tries to use force to stay in power. You have to be willing to answer force with force. Weapons do not overthrow a tyrant, weapons just protect the people who are overthrowing a tyrant."

"Now, you may say "Hay, you are talking about Islamic and/or Communists groups not 'Western Liberal resistence groups'". And you would be correct. As I said in the beginning the first step in a guerilla war against a tyrant is to first organize. The Islamic and Communists Groups were the best at organizing people. "Western Liberal Resistence Groups" were less effective in organizing resistence groups (And less liked by the CIA and KGB who tended to fund these groups, remember any war is expensive, money talks).

Furthermore since most Islamic and Communist groups tend to be the first groups outlawed they tend to go underground first. Once underground they start to organize and as other groups are outlawed those groups tend to join the opposition which tends to be either Islamic or Communistic. Once outlawed these groups also tend to be controlled by the most fanatic opponents of the Tyrants and these tend to be either Islamic or Communistic. Thus to oppose the Tyrants you have to support a side with enough discipline to get the job done and that tend to be Communist or Islamic."

"...Any weapons we resort to must be "real" weapons not pistols. i.e. Rifles and shotguns. Due to concerns of re-supply (you have to plan for a long battle) such weapons should be limited to very small number of different rounds. Generally restrict yourself to the following rounds:

5.56x 45 (.223 Remington) 7.62x 63 (30-06) 7.62x 51 (.308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO) 7.62 x 39 (7.62mm Russian 7.62 AK Round) 12 Gauge Shotgun. 30-30 Winchester."

"You have more weapons in the above calibers than any other calibers thus should be your first choice in weapons. Saying this I must point out I like the 7x57 and 7.92x57 Mauser rounds and the M1898 Mauser Bolt action Rifle, but the 7.92 (sometime called 8mm Mauser) but these rounds are less common than the above and thus harder to obtain when re-supply is needed (and re-supply will be needed if the struggle lasts for any length of time).

Re-supply of Ammunition has always been the bane of any military operations. Without ammunition you can not fight. To get you ammunition, it is easier if we can keep the number of different rounds to a minimum (i.e. 5.56x45 and 7.62x51). I list the 30-06 and 30-30 winchester rounds for these are two VERY popular rounds and ammunition for both are easy to obtain (the same with the 12 Gauge shotgun). I list the 7.62 AK round do to the huge number of SKSs and AKs imported since the fall of the Soviet Union. I list it for while there are probably more 30-30s and 30-06 rifles out they than 7.62 Aks and SKSs, the Aks and SKSs may very while outnumber the rifles in 5.56x45 and 7.62 NATO.

Also, if it is decided to fight, be prepared to fight, bring a backpack, entrenching tool, tent, and other equipment of an Infantrymen. You will need it for Bush and his supporters decides it is better to fight than to accept the will of the people, the fight to overthrow them will be a long fight."

[end of excerpts...but many other just as crazy thoughts found at the following link. This thread continued for THREE entire weeks before the moderator finally stepped in. But as of today, Sunday, May 18, 2008, the thread is still up on the Democratic Underground website.-Eye On The Left]

Democratic Underground Discussion Board
Topic: "Arming the Left: Is the time now?":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x41313

"Lori Price CLG (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-22-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #10
16. Yes, spread the word, even if you *didn't* read it, that there *will* be riots! Yes! Riots, and a whole lot more!..."

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[kalee]

lol

[iacovatx]

You wrote, “There IS a difference, you know, between dopey, naive liberals and some of these hardcore revolutinary-left types. We really need to understand that.”

In revolutions, only a minority percentage is active. The others tend to passively follow along and drift toward whichever side happens to be winning. This was famously established by Festinger in about 1957 who found that people will change attitudes more readily than changing behaviors. Changing the physical world is harder than changing one’s attitude toward the physical world—if the physical world is forcefully leaning one way, you adjust your attitude to agree with them and save the trouble and risk of disagreeing in the physical world.

The dopey, naive liberals will shuffle right in behind the hardcore revolutionary-left types. I guarantee that will happen. Don’t think I am criticizing your post. I am adding to it by suggesting that the difference between the two flavors of leftists will melt away if the hardcore types take action. Dopey, naive liberals will simply melt into line behind the harcore.

Here is a question for everyone on the list. Do socialist movements inevitably lead to violence to crush people with opposing views. Despite the facade of peace-loving anti-war attitudes tauted (often in a shriek), socialist movements tend to lead to wholesale, ruthless murdering on a large scale. Can anyone explain why this is so? Is it inevitable if the lefties and their wealthy backers take over the government of the U.S.?

[Noumenon]

“I walk my dog around my neighborhood and have him pee on the Clinton and Obambi signs and add the address to the list.”

I like your style. BTW, around here, I’ll have to drive all the way to Spokane to get even close to the bag limit.

[Not A Snowbird]

They're always ranting about stuff like this.

And they call us evil, intolerant, hate-mongers.

[mware]

I suspect the FBI is knocking on several doors, as we speak, with the tone of that thread at DU.

[Eye On The Left]

That thread has been up on the DUmmies website for a little over 4 years now. I doubt if anything ever came of it. Then again, it does make one realize why they are so against snooping in on the ‘private’ lives of American citizens.

[navyguy]

No worries... Most of the booger eating droolers on DU would go AWOL to Canada the minute any fighting started. The rest would be wiped out.

[null and void]

Commie atheists and islamic satan worshipers.

Made for each other...

[Eye On The Left]

Here is a question for everyone on the list. Do socialist movements inevitably lead to violence to crush people with opposing views.

Looks to me like Communist Party USA thinks Obama is a man who can deliver the bloodless revolution...

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Spring 2008, Issue 18
by Dynamic Committee, 30.04.2008 14:57

Author: YCLUSA [Young Communist League USA]
First published 04/30/2008 16:09 by (article_topic_desc)

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The 2008 Spring Double issues includes articles about the youth impact on the 2008 elections, youth participation in unions, the writer's strike and its impact on a family that struggled through it, and much more!

Once on the site, click "youth impact" for article:
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Obama-file 20: Young Communist League Backs Barack Obama-Again
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http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-file-20-young-communist-league.html
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See: MichaelMoore.com-->Links-->PoliticalAction (bottom of the page)

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA):
"We are a party of unity in action. We are an integral part of every struggle and movement for change to eliminate poverty and joblessness, against racism and for full equality. We are participants, initiators and leaders of every movement to make life better now and much better in a socialist future." Yeah, so they supported an oppressive dictator, like the Repubs and Democrats haven't? The CP is still around, has apologized for that whole Stalin thing, and has a quickly growing youth section.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/links/index.php?linkType=Political%20Action

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[Eye On The Left]

Commie atheists and islamic satan worshipers. Made for each other...

Only until they get rid of us. Then they'll go after each other again.

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Amazon Book Review:
"Vastly Illuminating!" September 25, 2004
By Kat Bakhu

"I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air."

http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X

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Watch now on c-span video: Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11
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[FunkyZero]

so what happenes when they realize we shoot back and already HAVE guns?

[Grizzled Bear]

I can see these thugs behaving like Che; shooting the defenseless. The moment they faced any armed resistance they would crumble and piss themselves.

[null and void]

True. But foreseeing that would require the ability to predict the consequences of one’s own actions.

This is beyond the mental capacity of nearly every liberal or muslim.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

so what happenes when they realize we shoot back and already HAVE guns?

They simply won't understand why the trees and fields are shooting at them when they can't see a thing to shoot back at.

It will be the dry land equivalent of the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

[Wilhelm Tell]

Do socialist movements inevitably lead to violence to crush people with opposing views.

Utopian movements tend to go totalitarian because utopia is unnatural and impossible. Utopian movements embrace dictatorship and a police state because that is needed to enforce their ideal of perfection. To create utopia, you have to have every aspect of life controlled to the most minute detail. When utopians rant about how they will create a new human nature, this inevitably involves exterminating the majority of people.

The followers of utopianism subconciously understand that utopia is impossible -- the nearest thing they can get to it is a constant state of "revolution." From the French Revolution to the Nazi and various communist states, there is a constant war against this or that group of people. There are "enemies" everywhere who must be exterminated. So while leftist utopians dream of creating a "new communist man," in practical terms all they talk about is creating a perpetual state of "revolution."

Liberal (in the European sense of the word) revolutionaries advocate revolution reluctantly. They see revolution as a temporary measure to remove a bad government. The idea is to end the revolution as quickly as possible so life can get back to normal. Totalitarian revolutionaries see revolution as the goal rather than a means. That is why diverse revolutionary groups like communists and Islamists often work together. I think the communists in particular realize that the "new communist man" is a myth and will remain so. They see themselves as leaders of a perpetual revolution. There are millions of pseudo-intellectuals who are indoctrinated in a strange mixture of fanaticism and nihilism. The less ambitious ones long for the day when they will be executioners for the totalitarian state. Give them a gun and make them members of a death squad and they will be happy. The more ambitious ones dream of writing edicts about which group is to be exterminated next. They dream of being the next Stalin or Pol Pot.

[Mike Darancette]

Don’t forget to bring body bags, lots of body bags.

[null and void]

[Dionysius]

Yeah, and who’s gonna instill in these yellow coqsuquhs the will to fight?

[Eye On The Left]

Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground, The Black Panthers, The Black Liberation Army, The Symbionese Liberation Army, The FALN all carried out terrorist attacks in the name of communist revolution.