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1 posted on 05/17/2008 9:22:14 AM PDT by Kevin J waldroup
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The “food versus fuel” debate being waged in the United States has been nothing more than a cleverly planned public relations campaign.

What a crock, no one is telling these thieves that they cannot make ethanol, just make it on your own dime without mandates. Stop sucking on the government tit!!

2 posted on 05/17/2008 9:26:52 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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nothing more than a cleverly planned public relations campaign.

Even if it were, ethanol DESERVES TO BE VILIFIED!!!!!!

3 posted on 05/17/2008 9:27:34 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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This morning gasoline is $3.59/gal here in Aiken, SC. E85 ethanol is $3.18/gal.

Gee, I wonder who's paying the difference? </sarcasm>

4 posted on 05/17/2008 9:29:55 AM PDT by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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I was against it before the GMA began their campaign. More drilling for domestic oil is the only way to go. Subsidizing farmers to grow non-food crops is not the way to go.


5 posted on 05/17/2008 9:30:35 AM PDT by Rudder ("There is only one chief. Obey him." [Rush Limbaugh, April 30, 2008])
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PS Grow mole food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 05/17/2008 9:30:38 AM PDT by Kevin J waldroup ( Go Duncan Hunter 2012)
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using food for fuel when the petroleum we have in the ground is as massive as it is is just plain stupid. Drill it out and let’s get back to exporting food at a reasonable price. It’s beyond stupid and immoral.


8 posted on 05/17/2008 9:30:38 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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So PR campaigns are not okay. However did ethanol get the blessings of Congress without PR work? Or is this another case of okay for me, not okay for you?


9 posted on 05/17/2008 9:30:38 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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If it’s such a great idea, it doesn’t need a subsidy. Get out of the way and let the market work.

Sheesh, our taxpayer dollars are PAYING for this propaganda outlet disguised as a “magazine.”


10 posted on 05/17/2008 9:31:51 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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So the whole effort to get subsidies passed for ethanol wasn’t a PR campaign?


13 posted on 05/17/2008 9:39:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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The “food versus fuel” debate being waged in the United States has been nothing more than a cleverly planned public relations campaign.

No, actually it is just that too many people have studied Chemistry, and the scam is falling apart.

15 posted on 05/17/2008 9:47:19 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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Ethanol is this century’s snake oil.


16 posted on 05/17/2008 9:47:52 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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FOOD vs. FUEL

Likewise....
STATISTICS vs. STUPIDITY!!!

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ALL my vehicles have lost mileage and performance since the ethanol requirements showed up at the fuel pump!!

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TIME TO....
Drill... Distill... Drive!!

JMHO!

18 posted on 05/17/2008 9:50:50 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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Excellent!

How about the Eviro-Facist Left next?


20 posted on 05/17/2008 9:55:06 AM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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Ethanol is one of the worst scams ever to be foisted on the American public. Do the research and learn the truth about ethanol. ADM and Big Ag were behind lobbying Congress (read: bribed) to get the ethanol fiasco started.
21 posted on 05/17/2008 9:55:26 AM PDT by vox humana
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The “food versus fuel” debate being waged in the United States has been nothing more than a cleverly planned public relations campaign.

Yeah... it couldn't possibly be common sense observation of the dynamics of another failed government pork program. /s

22 posted on 05/17/2008 10:01:48 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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Why shouldn't it be vilified?!

All of this because celebrities, gutless pandering politicians and a few lunatic fringe envirowackos outlawed domestic exploration and drilling.

What's not to like about this "fuel"?

25 posted on 05/17/2008 10:05:07 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Unbiased reporting from the Ethanol Producers Magazine? There's an unimpeachable source.
28 posted on 05/17/2008 10:12:32 AM PDT by eclecticEel (You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.)
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This is a typical leftist response to effective arguments. Do not talk about the substance but instead talk about the method or nature of the attack. We should learn that the only technique to debate a leftist is to hit them hard enough to make them cry. I’m so tired. Why are we even debating the silliness of creating fuel highly inefficiently from corn? It never could’ve been a solution for our fuel “needs no more than solar or any of the other crack pot ideas that have been presented. Hydrogen could work but it would not be the panacea presented by the left. There is no free lunch, we need to stop looking at pie in the sky and deal with what we have to work with and that is leverage the massive coal, oil, and nuclear resources that are still available to us until we can move onto something else.

Conservation and all the other “green” ideas are not feasible unless we are willing to give up huge amounts of personal liberty for less and less return. It is not only unnecessary but foolish and would result in millions of people dying as we refuse to use the resources we have in hopes of a miracle solution. We should punish politicians who have not given us more refineries and who have refused to let us drill the oil on the coast and in the ANWR. The Chinese are drilling off the coast of Cuba tapping billions of barrels of oil available to us also if only we could throw off the yoke of the Democrat radical environmentalists.

That is another thing. Why in the hell hasn’t the GOP gotten a clue when it comes to how to attack the Democrats. They and their constitutes are more responsible than anyone other group for our inability to of the US to effectively deal with out energy needs. They have stood in the way of building new refineries, have locked millions of tons of coal and billions of barrels of oil out of reach. They have stood in the way of Nuclear power and all the while having us waste billions chasing pipe dreams and global warming.
Why doesn’t someone in the GOP figure this out? Are they really the bunch of senile old men and Northern VA yuppies they appear to be who wouldn’t know conservatism if it bit them in the ass?

We could go on with issue after issue. All the social issues and immigration. Most of America does not want Homosexual marriage, most of America believes it is a disgusting behavior, the same goes for abortion, and most of America believes in strong borders. How can you not win when one party, the Democrats, have so entirely embraced the radicals on the left? Is there anyone one groups which is more Anti-American and ready to rush into the arms of our enemies? If the GOP does not wake up and realize this is war not a tea party they are going to cast this country into the hands of Barack Obama and set back conservatism even further than it has already been set back.

I’m beginning to believe what we need to do is start a shadow party which funnels donations only to candidates who are conservative and believe in the founding principles. The Bloombergs, the Schwarzeneggers, and countless others are blurring the identity of the Republican party and making it a impossible to restrain the beast of bureaucracy that is “slouching towards Gomorrah”. If someone doesn’t wake up and stop the insanity and provide some vision that isn’t tinged with 60s love ballads for Democrat and Republican unity (which means they win and we give in) then we are going to face an even darker generation dominated even more by judicial oligarchy and legislative disregard for the constitution.


29 posted on 05/17/2008 10:12:38 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Tyranny is not excused because the target is someone you disagree with.)
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People are attacking the ethanol industry because IT’S A BAD IDEA! The ethanol as fuel industry only exists because of the government is currying favor with special interests. Or is it the other way around? Whatever. It is not efficient and is not the answer to our energy needs.

Ethanol belongs in a bottle or can. Usually with “Beefeater” or “Coors” written on it. It doesn’t belong in my gas tank.


32 posted on 05/17/2008 10:14:19 AM PDT by henkster (Obama '08: A 3rd world state, here & now!)
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A request for a public relations proposal put forth by the Grocery Manufacturers Association and the media campaign response by the Glover Park Group prove that there has been a concerted effort to attack the ethanol industry.

Good for them. I'm all behind the GMA on this one. If Grassley wants ethanol so badly then let him make it out of seaweed, algae, kudzu, or the corn that issues forth from his own mouth and Congress -- not the things we actually digest.

33 posted on 05/17/2008 10:14:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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