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NYT: McCain “sealed away” from the lessons of Vietnam
Hot Air ^ | 5/14/08 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/14/2008 5:34:20 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

In the New York Times’ upcoming edition of their Sunday magazine, they take a look at John McCain’s divergent views of the Iraq War from those of his fellow Vietnam veterans. In The McCain Doctrines, Matt Bai reports that most of these colleagues (with the noted exception of Bob Kerrey) attribute McCain’s support for Iraq to the fact that he didn’t serve on the ground in Vietnam — and that his years as a POW somehow “sealed” him away from the war’s lessons:

There is a feeling among some of McCain’s fellow veterans that his break with them on Iraq can be traced, at least partly, to his markedly different experience in Vietnam. McCain’s comrades in the Senate will not talk about this publicly. They are wary of seeming to denigrate McCain’s service, marked by his legendary endurance in a Hanoi prison camp, when in fact they remain, to this day, in awe of it. And yet in private discussions with friends and colleagues, some of them have pointed out that McCain, who was shot down and captured in 1967, spent the worst and most costly years of the war sealed away, both from the rice paddies of Indochina and from the outside world. During those years, McCain did not share the disillusioning and morally jarring experiences of soldiers like Kerry, Webb and Hagel, who found themselves unable to recognize their enemy in the confusion of the jungle; he never underwent the conversion that caused Kerry, for one, to toss away some of his war decorations during a protest at the Capitol. Whatever anger McCain felt remained focused on his captors, not on his own superiors back in Washington.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008electionbias; antiamericanism; communismkills; hanoijane; mccain; media; navy; notapeacemovement; nyt; phoneysoldiers; pow; vietnam; yellowjournalism
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1 posted on 05/14/2008 5:34:20 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

Another NY Times hit piece imho.


2 posted on 05/14/2008 5:34:56 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood
“sealed away” from the lessons of Vietnam

That sounds like a serious stretch to me.

3 posted on 05/14/2008 5:35:54 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Early warning radar has picked up enemy planes approaching from the far left, man your battle stations


4 posted on 05/14/2008 5:36:49 PM PDT by shadeaud
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To: Dawnsblood

THEY have GOT to be KIDDING.....they’re delusional ....


5 posted on 05/14/2008 5:37:50 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Liberals learning curves are pretty flat,)
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To: Dawnsblood
“sealed away”????

I much prefer “an inside view few others had”.

6 posted on 05/14/2008 5:38:48 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: shadeaud

“Early warning radar has picked up enemy planes approaching from the far left, man your battle stations”

John McCain is going to wake up and realize his buddies in the MSM are going to be hitting him like Kamakazi’s. But that will be OK as long as they don’t go after Obama and offend him.


7 posted on 05/14/2008 5:39:35 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Dawnsblood
There is a feeling among some of McCain’s fellow veterans that his break with them on Iraq...

The Drive-By Media always likes to portrait veterans-turned-Leftist as the norm.

8 posted on 05/14/2008 5:40:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: krb

You’re telling me.. I’ve heard some pretty pathetic attempts at making McCain’s war record a liability, but this takes the cake.

Also, I’d be interested to see a poll of Vietnam vets to see what percentage of them agree with Webb, Kerry, and Hagel on what the “lessons” of Vietnam were. Of course, those three are the only important ones, because their version of the “lesson” of Vietnam is the media-approved one.


9 posted on 05/14/2008 5:41:45 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Dawnsblood

In the not too distant future, the NYT’s will be listing garage sales and lost pets exclusively. Their day is done and gone.


10 posted on 05/14/2008 5:44:45 PM PDT by appleharvey
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To: Dawnsblood

The NYT fails once again. I cannot stand McCain as our candidate....but this is a tad to absurd to the point of laughable.

I supposed it is supposed to somehow connect Juan to Bush and present an idea that McCain was one of the lucky, privileged, and out of touch while imprisoned in Hanoi.

Hope the NYT can do better than this. So far, they have made bigger fools out of themselves than ever before.


11 posted on 05/14/2008 5:46:46 PM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: goodnesswins

Lord have mercy.

Is there no depths the liberal media will not go to discredit John McCain’s service to his country? All this because Barack Hussein Obama can not win the general election.


12 posted on 05/14/2008 5:47:30 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: appleharvey

Wow. That’s pretty amazing. I never even thought of this spin to try and discredit McCain’s military record and experience.


13 posted on 05/14/2008 5:50:02 PM PDT by Zap Brannigan
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To: Dawnsblood

I think the only lesson of Viet Nam was that we didn’t stay long enough to finish the job. AND not to listen to the lamestream media, although they didn’t have any other choice then.


14 posted on 05/14/2008 5:50:15 PM PDT by kickonly88
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To: Jeff Chandler

The Vietnam War opposition movement was led by Communists who WANTED the North Vietnamese Communists to Win over South Vietnam. It was not led by “disillusioned” soldiers who asked “what are we fighting for”.

Hanoi Jane, Jerry Rubin, et al were proud of their associations with Communist leaders. Jane Fonda said we’d all want to live under Communism if we only understood what it was.

The Vietnam antiwar movement was outright treason against the United States engaged in an active war. Siding with the enemy in word and in deed. Undercutting our elected government’s policies, meeting with the enemy, and in the case of Kerry’s group, targeting the assassination of elected members of Congress.


15 posted on 05/14/2008 5:50:39 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Dawnsblood

Who was it recently, Sen. Rockefeller of WV, who claimed McCain didn’t understand war, he just dropped his laser-guided bombs from 30,000 feet and flew away?


16 posted on 05/14/2008 5:51:07 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Dawnsblood
What about being a POW makes you “for” the Iraq war and makes those who fought in Vietnam, but weren't POWs, stand against the Iraq war?

This is a bizarre correlation

17 posted on 05/14/2008 5:51:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Dawnsblood
Another NY Times hit piece...

Dude, seriously, does the NYTimes do anything other than hit pieces on Republicans? I mean it's like wild-eyed fanaticism with them.

18 posted on 05/14/2008 5:51:44 PM PDT by Obadiah (I dream of the day when chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Wouldn’t it be nice to have had Laser guided bombs in Nam? If we did, calling an close in airstrike wouldn’t have been a high pucker factor affair, especially with Naphalm.


19 posted on 05/14/2008 5:56:35 PM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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