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The Myth of Voter Fraud
New York Times ^ | 13 May | Editorial

Posted on 05/14/2008 7:04:34 AM PDT by flowerplough

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To: flowerplough

It would be a bit obvious for the NYT to defend (Democrat) vote fraud directly, even considering its reader base, so the obvious approach is to pretend it doesn’t exist.


41 posted on 05/14/2008 7:37:45 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: redangus

Very good summary.


42 posted on 05/14/2008 7:38:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: flowerplough
There "is no evidence" that the New York Times is still a legitimate newspaper. Anyone interested in seeing just the tip of the vote fraud iceberg -- not including Chicago and other major cities -- can do so easily. Just Google "ACORN" and "vote(r) fraud" to get references to arrests and convictions for dozens of vote fraud cases involving thousands of voters in many states.

But apparently, research that honorous was not possible for the adept reporters at the Times.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Why I Deservedly Lost"

43 posted on 05/14/2008 7:44:43 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: flowerplough
If you don't need ID then you could register at several different addresses and hit each of these polling stations on election day.

Heck, if you can register at the polling station and don't need ID for that either, you can vote some more after all of your pre-registered spots are hit.

You don't even need to use multiple names but you can invent as many aliases as you want if you so choose. You just need to remember which name you are registered under at each polling station. There is nothing to suggest that a Juan Hernandez voting at every polling station within a 50 mile radius is the same guy.

44 posted on 05/14/2008 7:48:49 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: flowerplough
These bills are not a sincere effort to prevent noncitizens from voting; that is a made-up problem.

How could the author of this editorial know this is a 'made up problem' since IDs are not currently being required in most states?

There's no reason not to require an ID to vote. You have to do so just to rent a movie or get on a plane. Instead of spending money whining about it, Dems could uses that money to pay for picture IDs for all these poor and elderly they claim are being disenfranchised. (Talk about a made up problem.)

45 posted on 05/14/2008 7:50:15 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: flowerplough
Bob Dornan was defeated by voter fraud. He was able to basically prove it in court tho the court demanded such a high standard of proof that he couldn't quite gather all the numbers. He came very close.

In other words in an almost impossible standared, he very nearly did the impossible. Still there was no doubt he was cheated.

46 posted on 05/14/2008 7:51:14 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: flowerplough

Bet this idiot still has locks on the door to his house even though there is no evidence of home invasion robbery in his neighborhood.


47 posted on 05/14/2008 7:53:43 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: wildbill
You have to have an ID-or a visitor’s pass—to get into the Times building.

That's an excellent point. But they can't just let anybody in without knowing who they are!

Obviously, the NY Times values the sanctity of their corporate cafeteria more than the sanctity of the American political system.

48 posted on 05/14/2008 7:56:59 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem.”

Maybe not, but a lot of dead Democrats seem to vote.


49 posted on 05/14/2008 7:57:03 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Ditter
I AM LESS WORRIED ABOUT NON CITIZENS VOTING AS I AM ABOUT THOSE PESKY DEAD PEOPLE WHO VOTE IN DROVES.Because the Washington election results were so close in the 2000 Governors race an extremely detailed autopsy of the voting was done. By far the biggest categtory of vote fraud was felons voting. Here is the key paragraph with statistics in it:

In all, the judge identified 1,678 illegal votes: 745 from felons on the GOP list, 647 from felons on the Democrats' list, 175 mishandled provisional ballots in King County and 77 in Pierce County, six double votes and 19 ballots cast in the name of dead people.

The election was won by a margin of only 133 votes, illegals voters likely made the difference.

Because there is no easy way to verify citizenship it is almost impossible to KNOW if illegals are voting. Even in the recount process. States keep lists of citizens, but not their legal citizenship status. Birth certificates are issued by thousands of counties across the country and there is no master index.

The NY Times fully knows this and they are using a tautology to support their flimsy argument. "It's never been proven to be a problem" because there is no mechanism to do so, and they insist on preventing such a mechanism from coming into place.

Typical sneaky, lying, ends-justifies-the-means lib-tards.

50 posted on 05/14/2008 7:58:05 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: yarddog
Bob Dornan was defeated by voter fraud. He was able to basically prove it in court tho the court demanded such a high standard of proof that he couldn't quite gather all the numbers. He came very close.

Recall that, in Washington, Dino Rossi was cheated out of the governor's seat by voter fraud in Seattle. He also went to court and also approached the required standard of proof.

Clearly, the "Myth" of voter fraud is no "Myth".

51 posted on 05/14/2008 8:00:03 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: andy58-in-nh

We know they’re voting in Utah, because we have both DLs for illegals and motor voter registration. Nobody EVER checks to see if you’re legal, if you check that box to register to vote. And all you have to do is sign a little statement that says you are eligible to vote. If they get caught, they simply claim they “didn’t understand what the form meant” and they walk.


52 posted on 05/14/2008 8:00:50 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: flowerplough; All

“There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem.”

This from an editor of the NY Times. Idiots.

There was an article on FR not long ago where one precinct in Texas they found 300 illegal aliens registered.

Here’s just one:

Hundreds of non citizens, most of whom are believed to be illegal immigrants, have registered to vote in Bexar County in recent years and dozens of them have actually cast ballots, canceling out the votes of U.S. citizens, 1200 WOAI news will report Thursday morning.

Figures obtained by 1200 WOAI news shows 303 illegals successfully registered to vote, and at least 41 cast ballots in various elections.

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=2138213


53 posted on 05/14/2008 8:01:43 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: flowerplough

Everyone(bar none) shows ID to legitimate entities to obtain goods or services desired. UNLESS they themselves are not legitimate. ID is not a passcard. It is a verification that a person is indeed who they claim to be and by inference, entitled to certain rights and benefits. Society has granted these rights based on information about the individual that the ID represents. The entity requiring ID is obeying the law in verifying that goods or services can be legally provided. So to NOT ask for ID prior to providing a good or service as mandated by law is in itself breaking the law. The only “bad” outcome of an ID requirement is if the ID is either not requested or the information regarding the subject is ignored. In both cases the law has not been upheld.
Those entities requiring ID’s are the gatekeepers of the law.
So for any activity that has been addressed by laws (alcohol, driving, international travel, loans, the right to vote etc), proof via ID is itself, by law mandatory.
I fail to see why any debate about requiring ID is warranted. The only explaination would be if something illegal is being attempted.


54 posted on 05/14/2008 8:17:56 AM PDT by bossmechanic (Why the debate?)
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To: flowerplough
These bills are not a sincere effort to prevent noncitizens from voting; that is a made-up problem.

How could the author of this editorial know this is a 'made up problem' since IDs are not currently being required in most states?

There's no reason not to require an ID to vote. You have to do so just to rent a movie or get on a plane. Instead of spending money whining about it, Dems could uses that money to pay for picture IDs for all these poor and elderly they claim are being disenfranchised. (Talk about a made up problem.)

55 posted on 05/14/2008 8:20:24 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: yarddog

Damn, do I miss B-1 Bob!


56 posted on 05/14/2008 8:32:59 AM PDT by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: flowerplough

No fraud? BS of astronomical proportions. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1991953/posts I have been documenting massive voter fraud on FR since 1996. The NY Slimes LIES. Its not just illegals or dead people or non-existent phantoms or crooked election officials...Its the summation of every method they can use to steal elections.


57 posted on 05/14/2008 8:51:30 AM PDT by darth
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To: wildbill

“The myth is that having an ID to vote is burdensome.”

Why is it that only Democrats seem to have problems with showing ID, but not Republicans? Even our elderly and handicapped manage to get it done with no problem.


58 posted on 05/14/2008 8:55:00 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: flowerplough

Tell Bob Dornan that there is no voter fraud.


59 posted on 05/14/2008 8:57:20 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: y6162

“but a lot of dead Democrats seem to vote.”

I wonder who Vince Foster is voting for this November?


60 posted on 05/14/2008 9:00:01 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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