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China quake toll soars as full horror begins to emerge (China Quake Info Thread 2)
AFP ^ | 5/14/08 | AFP

Posted on 05/14/2008 12:37:27 AM PDT by stlnative

China quake toll soars as full horror begins to emerge

14/05/2008

DUJIANGYAN (AFP) - The full horror of the devastating China earthquake began to emerge Wednesday as rescuers discovered whole towns all but wiped off the map, pushing the death toll well above 20,000.

Military and police teams punched into the heart of the disaster zone, with 100 troops parachuting into a county that was previously cut off while planes and helicopters air-dropped emergency supplies.

But the message that came back from this mountainous corner of southwestern Sichuan province was that town after town was flattened by the 7.9-magnitude quake that struck two days ago.

The death toll has soared well above 20,000, but that toll is rising by the hour as more information comes in from stricken communities.

"The losses have been severe," Wang Yi, who heads an armed police unit sent into the epicentre zone, was quoted as saying by Sichuan Online news site.

"Some towns basically have no houses left. They have all been razed to the ground."

A least 7,700 people died in the small town of Yingxiu alone, state media cited a local government official as saying, with only 2,300 surviving.

Across Sichuan, countless thousands more people are missing or buried under the rubble of shattered homes, schools and factories.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said 100,000 military personnel and police had been mobilised, indicating the epic scale of the country's worst earthquake in a generation.

The air drop started with planes and helicopters flying dozens of sorties, dropping tonnes of food and relief aid into the worst-hit zone, most of it cut off from the outside world by landslides and road closures.

The destruction around the epicentre in remote Wenchuan county is massive, with whole mountainsides sheared off, highways ripped apart and building after building levelled.

Rescue teams have been seen pulling bodies and badly injured survivors out of the ruins.

As well as Yingxiu, CCTV television said air drops were also made in nearby Mianyang -- where the death toll jumped to nearly 5,500 -- as well as Mianzhu and Pengzhou.

Helicopters also flew to Wenchuan with food, drinks, tents, communications equipment and other supplies.

The rescue effort has been badly disrupted since Monday by heavy rain, and the Meteorological Authority forecasting more later in the week, raising the risk of fresh landslides.

Amid the setbacks, the nation focused on the precious minutes going by for those who were buried under rubble but may have survived.

Cries for help were heard from a flattened school in Yingxiu, where people were forced to try and dig out survivors with their hands, state media said.

"The situation in Yingxiu is even worse than expected," one local official said.

In towns and villages across a swathe of Sichuan, heart-rending scenes were played out as grief-stricken families searched for missing loved ones.

In the city of Mianzhu, where at least 3,000 died, rescuers picked through twisted metal and concrete trying to find people whose voices could be heard under the rubble.

"My younger brother is in there," 42-year-old Li -- his eyes bloodshot from sleep deprivation -- said next to a heap that was once a bank.

The local disaster relief headquarters said rescuers had been able to pull 500 people alive out of the debris of collapsed buildings, but 20,000 in three outer villages were still out of reach.

Wednesday's leg of the Olympic torch relay in eastern Jianxi province began with a minute's silence before the runners set off.

Organisers of the Beijing Olympics said they would scale down the relay as the torch makes it way to the capital for the summer Games, a further knock to its troubled round-the-world journey after earlier protests over Tibet.

World powers including the United States, European Union and United Nations as well as the International Olympic Committee have rallied round with offers of help.

China welcomed the offers but said conditions were "not yet ripe" to allow in foreign rescue teams, citing damage to transport links.

A Japanese foreign ministry official in charge of emergency aid said Japan offered rescue teams with sniffer dogs, but China had made no request.

US President George W. Bush and his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao discussed the disaster by telephone, with Washington offering half a million dollars in initial disaster aid.


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To: chinaboy
I stuck that list in a Notepad, then can just copy and paste it into the To: box on the reply; plus can add new ones as found. Thank you for your posts and information.
81 posted on 05/14/2008 7:41:48 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: PA Engineer

I should be the one say sorry for misunderstanding.
Thank you for your correction.

I saw some dogs were used by fireman or rescue personnel in TV. Is that different? Or is that dog, canine, especially useful for earthquake?


82 posted on 05/14/2008 7:48:59 AM PDT by laberphany
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To: laberphany
They may be the same and they will need many more of them. One problem with the dogs is that they also become easily injured (paws) and have to be removed regularly from the search to heal. The building debris causes many problems to both dogs and rescue crews.
83 posted on 05/14/2008 7:52:27 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: All

I am reporting the latest progress for the quake rescue.
The rain stopped in the quake area this morning. It was raining heavely in the disaster area form May 12 to May 13. Our helicopters have reached epicenter(WenChuan) May 14 morning,they taken hundreds of tons food and medicine to the epicenter .The helicopters have taken back more than 1000 hurt people to the Chendu hosptial. Becuase all of the roads to epicenter were blocked, the epicenter(WenChua county) is located in a big valley, so we are reinforcing many helicopters. Goverment has assembled more than 100,000 solders in the quake area up to now. The first professional resuce troop has reached the epicenter ,they reported Wenchuan damage is a little better than our imaging.
Especially, an USA civilian rescue team reached desaster area, Our Premier (WenJiabao) met them conincident.Premier express much sincerely appreciation. We are really appreciate you American.


84 posted on 05/14/2008 7:55:46 AM PDT by Tony123
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To: Lokibob

Evidently China has made simply incredible strides forward in technology and social skills — that is civil skills — since that era.


85 posted on 05/14/2008 8:09:18 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Tony123

How bad was the rain? I couldn’t imagine a much worse fate than drowning after being trapped in earthquake rubble.


86 posted on 05/14/2008 8:12:59 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
I spent a month in Chengdu in the 1980s as the lead for a VP trip there (Bush). The people I met were either very nice and helpful or they were spies. There was no in-between. They took apart some of my antennas and photographed them, bugged our rooms, followed us everywhere, attempted to steal our crypto equipment, and on the day of the visit just as the VP landed, they cut off all our communications lines between our radio systems and control consoles. While the loss of life is staggering - I see this as one of the “reasons” that China will eventually attack the west with nuclear weapons. (Yeah, yeah, I hear some of you saying “far stretch”... but YOU visit there, spend a month and come away with a different point of view). Their thinking processes are WAY different from ours - and they are PLANNING to fight us soon, not later than 2010 or 2012.

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1980s......that's really long ago——the year I was born.I even do not remember you.

What you met with is not strange at that time,especially when you were involved in politics.And the same things are done by usa gov.,too,am i right?

From your logic I know you really miss The Cold War.Nuclear?hah,even children here know it's only a threat in Hollywood movie.None country would risk the destruction of earth to really use it in these days.

yes,many chinese hate america gov.,it's a historical result.But that doesn't mean we are aggressive man.And yes,we'll fight ,but not by war and not your country.We are all fighting to make money and earn us a better life by doing business and construction.Only idiots will seek war,are you?

87 posted on 05/14/2008 8:23:10 AM PDT by adcycn
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To: PA Engineer

I have seen a program in national geography about earthquake rescue in Pakistan. British rescue team has an equipment that could find people in debris by detecting carbon dioxide from people’s breath. (I didn’t how this equipment could separate carbon dioxide we breathe from those in air)
If that equipment could work in Sichuan, it would supply huge help in researching people from debris especially 3 or 4 days after disaster. At that time, we need method or equipment to locate people in deep buried.


88 posted on 05/14/2008 8:24:27 AM PDT by laberphany
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To: brityank
Yes, that's the same list I used to ping them in here a few posts up.
89 posted on 05/14/2008 8:32:24 AM PDT by Aquamarine (1 Corinthians 2:9)
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To: adcycn
1980s......that's really long ago——the year I was born.I even do not remember you.

I take it you're in China now? Interesting.

What you met with is not strange at that time,especially when you were involved in politics.And the same things are done by usa gov.,too,am i right?

I have to tell you, that things there haven't changed since I was there. I still remain in contact with some of the embassies around the world and I do read, and I can see from various videos what life is like in China (and compared to what I remember, it has not changed one bit).

From your logic I know you really miss The Cold War.Nuclear?hah,even children here know it's only a threat in Hollywood movie.None country would risk the destruction of earth to really use it in these days.

Do I "miss" the Cold War? No. I was a part of it from the time I was born in the 1950s until the day the walls in Germany fell. Hell no, I don't miss it.

Nuclear war is a threat from China. China's own MILITARY has stated in several papers that they are preparing for just such a war with the west. I've been collecting and following news about and from China since the mid 1980s. There's zero DOUBT in my mind that the Chinese government is preparing for an all out war, and I'm afraid that while I'm not a "military expert" in that respect, there are others who certainly ARE and they agree with me, and back up what I am saying with their own statements.

The CIA put a paper in about 2000 or 2001 citing several Chinese military experts and their papers, and stating that China expected to be at war with the United States by 2012 or so. That's not me making things up. That is from the Chinese' own mouths.

Certain countries will CERTAINLY risk utter destruction. I will cite North Korea (who seems to have backed off considerably at this time) and IRAN as two of the biggest purveyors of hatred of Western civilization. The Chinese have stolen more data and information, and are STILL doing it, and they DAILY attack US military installations in cyber attacks. They have claims that they are set to take down huge portions of the Internet when they are ready to go.

China has dozens of ports in the West now, all fully capable of bringing thousands of troops at a moments notice, they have control of the Panama Canal.

China expects to have a nuclear-based war with us, and believe they can kill us by attrition. They outman us.

yes,many chinese hate america gov.,it's a historical result.But that doesn't mean we are aggressive man.And yes,we'll fight ,but not by war and not your country.We are all fighting to make money and earn us a better life by doing business and construction.Only idiots will seek war,are you?

Many Chinese hate America because they are TOLD to hate America. Contrary to what Liberals in America will tell you, or what the chinese will tell you, the Chinese Government is a COMMUNIST regime and they murder and kill people who disagree with them. They TELL their people to hate us, and give them lies to make them hate us. I know this, I've seen it firsthand. Liberals in America are nothing but closet commies and socialists and they would welcome your people to this country and turn in Americans who don't believe the same way. They are traitors.

The Chinese aren't "fighting" to earn money for themselves, they are doing it for their government. The Chinese government spends it time looking at every way possible to take Taiwan out of the picture, and to embarrass, and perhaps eventually destroy America's power in the world, and for what? A Communist ideology. So, don't sit there telling me that the Chinese are "capitalists". They are COMMUNISTS, and the two economic systems can not and WILL not co-exist, they are mutually exclusive and one WILL destroy the other eventually. When your country becomes Capitalist and allows free elections, and stops placing people in prison or executing them for political reasons, then you can come back and tell me you're fighting to make money - until then, you're lying to yourself.

Finally, your statement on "Only idiots seek war" is not true. People seek war for various reasons and some are "idiocy" certainly. But, tell me then why did Taliban and Muslims seek war on the US and the West? Why does China seek war with Taiwan when it is a FREE country and has FREE elections and is operating under capitalism???? Why did Germany seek war? To be IN POWER throughout the world. Why has China and Japan battled one another for CENTURIES????

No, sir, your country has tried to invoke it's power around the Pacific Rim many times throughout the centuries and has won, and lost. The next time it happens, it won't win.

MY job is point out these things to the American public to POINT OUT WHAT CHINA is DOING to SHOW they are preparing for war, so Americans are not taken unawares. The more you sit and deny the truth, the less people will listen. Eventually, America will be sleeping when the first missiles take out several cities, and it will simply be a mop-up operation for China.

I Certainly WILL fight then. Every man, woman and child will fight in this country. Not one of us will stand down, and even the Liberals will finally understand.

But, you know what? I don't seek war, I seek to thwart it, to prevent it from happening. I don't seek to hide the truth, I expect it to be told over and over until people understand and do what they can to STOP such a war from ever happening. Keeping China from doing so is my goal. Don't try to make it seems as if I seek war, when all I do is seek to prevent it.
90 posted on 05/14/2008 8:52:48 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks a lot for your kindness,support and prayers. But, it seems that there are a lot of misunderstanding.

we really know your “modern aircraft, vehicles, supplies and food stuffs”, for in this information age, we have a lot of ways to be informed. It's the fact that the traffic condition is extremely bad in that area...A well-known poem written by Li Bai (a famous poet who grew up in Sichuan in Tang Dynasty), “Shu Dao Nan”(Shu refers to Sichuan, Dao means road, and Nan means hard) describes that vividly. (I found a translation and post part of it here, since it is very long)

HARD ROADS IN SHU

Li Bai

Oh, but it is high and very dangerous!

Such travelling is harder than scaling the blue sky.

...Until two rulers of this region

Pushed their way through in the misty ages,

Forty-eight thousand years had passed

With nobody arriving across the Qin border.

And the Great White Mountain, westward, still has only a bird's path

Up to the summit of Emei Peak —

Which was broken once by an earthquake and there were brave men lost,

Just finishing the stone rungs of their ladder toward heaven.

Such travelling is harder than scaling the blue sky.

Even to hear of it turns the cheek pale,

With the highest crag barely a foot below heaven.

“What, Americans don’t hate us? They aren’t devils?”


at least, I, and people I know, never think in that way.
91 posted on 05/14/2008 8:53:59 AM PDT by ninesongs
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To: adcycn
We are all fighting to make money and earn us a better life by doing business and construction.

That is encouraging....Keep after it....

92 posted on 05/14/2008 8:57:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: stlnative

Stlnative, I posted to you on the other thread but you haven’t responded.

Wondering why you pinged everyone on that thread and told them to come over here. Especially when so many were on it and were familiar with how to find it.

It’s cool if you want to start your own thread, but I don’t understand why you would ping everyone on that thread and tell them that’s the old thread and this is the new one. That’s very odd.


93 posted on 05/14/2008 8:59:16 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: adcycn

Adcycn,

With all that I said before, I want you to understand something. I met many people when I stayed in Chengdu. Most were very nice people, but many were nothing more than nice spies. They wanted anything and everything they could get from me and my team.

I feel very bad and sorry for China and the dead and dying, those trapped and the families of those affected. There is little I can do from here, but I will say that, although 99.9% of your country does NOT follow religion or believe in God, I do and will continue to pray for your people there.

Since you’re on the internet, I take it you were not affected directly, and your power and communications connections are still online.

Perhaps YOU should be out there helping your fellow people in China, instead of sitting here accusing Americans of hatred when that isn’t the case.

Good luck with your country’s plight and I’m SURE the US will, against all odds come forward with literally BILLIONS of dollars in aid monies to your country, even against MY wishes. I think our money would be better spent helping those trapped in Burma, and the Taiwanese people instead. But that’s just me.


94 posted on 05/14/2008 9:01:51 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: stlnative

Prayers for the Chinese during this difficult time!


Thank you! And thank you all!


95 posted on 05/14/2008 9:01:59 AM PDT by ninesongs
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To: Tony123

I am very happy that the rain has stopped. The people must be chilled from being wet. The sun will provide warmth. I am watching the rescue on TV and am impressed by the efforts of all that I see.


96 posted on 05/14/2008 9:14:23 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-hshootingsports.org)
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To: ninesongs

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97 posted on 05/14/2008 9:23:31 AM PDT by meanie monster
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To: Tainan

Lao Wai(the Chinese characters are 老外) doesn’t mean “big nose”, “lao” is something like prefix, like “lao ma”(mum), “lao ba” (dad), and “wai“ means “foreign”,so “lao wai” means “foreigner” in spoken Chinese. “Wai Guo”(外国) means foreign country. (”Guo” means country)


98 posted on 05/14/2008 9:25:39 AM PDT by ninesongs
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To: Teacher317
The Chinese character 美(mei) in "Mei Guo"(美国)does mean "beautiful, pretty" or "good", no other meanings.
99 posted on 05/14/2008 9:30:23 AM PDT by ninesongs
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To: bd476

AMEN AMEN!

THANKS FOR YOUR EXCELLENT POST.

I PRAY THAT ALL PREPARE

ESPECIALLY IN HAZARD ZONES BUT REALLY—EVERYWHERE . . . WAR REACHES EVERYWHERE.

so will some quakes eventually.


100 posted on 05/14/2008 9:43:02 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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