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Tough love ends in family tragedy
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 11, 2008 | Scott Glover and Richard Winton

Posted on 05/12/2008 6:09:59 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Chickensoup

“Here, kid, read this and understand what we’ll do if you get out of control...” :)


61 posted on 05/12/2008 9:23:20 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Not quite. But it does explain what a society must do to be responsible and protect itself.


62 posted on 05/12/2008 9:30:26 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Nude dancing in North America)
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To: misterrob
"The beating he took was rather savage."

Yes, it was. Most of the perps in there are gang members and they pimp and molest those under 18 anyway. They were simply looking for a victim, just as they do on the outside.

"...if someone decided to pass the word."

No guard would have done that, because they know the contents of the place and wouldn't deliberately kill the guy. They just put him in there, because he was sent to them. The place just apppears to be short staffed and the murderous thugs took advantage of that.

63 posted on 05/12/2008 9:34:14 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

“But to have him arrested over a ball cap? Just seems like there are other ‘tough love’ things you could do. Unless, again, there is more to the story.”

It’s not about the baseball cap. Throw it away and forget you read about it.

The “child” in this case is 41 years old. It’s about possibly 20 years or more of lies, deceit, cheating and stealing. That’s what it’s about. The “straw broke the camel’s back”.


64 posted on 05/12/2008 9:37:57 AM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Sometimes, people need discipline because it makes for a less chaotic and structured environment.

Sorry for the error...meant to say: “makes for a less chaotic and a MORE structured environment.”


65 posted on 05/12/2008 9:39:52 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, sometimes things ARE unfair. Upside down anymore it seems to me.


66 posted on 05/12/2008 9:40:29 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: spunkets

I was thinking that if had pissed of another con then that person might have spread the word. Guards wouldn’t have any part in that.


67 posted on 05/12/2008 10:08:17 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: spunkets
41 years old? This is no boy, kid, or child. This is a grown man who needed to grow up. I think there is more to this story we aren't getting. I have a feeling a long standing substance abuse history, plus parents who subsidized his dysfunction for years. By the time they got sick of it, it was too late. I see cases like this constantly.
68 posted on 05/12/2008 10:42:34 AM PDT by gracie1 (Why can't I pay my visa with my mastercard?)
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To: Chickensoup

Just kidding around a bit...

That’s one of the bible passages that those on the left really freak out about and use as an example of how “barbaric Christiainity is”.


69 posted on 05/12/2008 10:48:08 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Chickensoup
There is a great book called The Earth Abides, that copes with that very issue. It is one of the short list of books all my children MUST read before their sophmore year of high school.

Good book.

70 posted on 05/12/2008 11:07:37 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: MrB

I know the context. The ancient Israelites couldn’t long countenance a habitual troublemaker. And they didn’t have jails.
Of course this was the last resort seeing the parents had already chastened the bum.


71 posted on 05/12/2008 11:55:17 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: levotb

As I recall, the last firing squad was WW 2 for a repeat deserter. Might have the details wrong.
They say the punishment was very effective.


72 posted on 05/12/2008 11:59:09 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cubreporter
I think our jail system is just awful and I would hope it could change.

In order for the system to change, people will have to accept some difficult realities. Like for example, that not every social ill has a solution involving jail time.

73 posted on 05/12/2008 12:12:15 PM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: Chickensoup

Yours is the smartest post here.

Just think of one fact alone: how the gangs are coddled in prison. Who makes the rules about who is put together? Why, it’s the gangs. Imagine what life would be like if each crip had to share a 2-person cell with a Blood, or each Hispanic was rooming for years with a black guy. I think the world would be a better place. But no; the system rewards “gang loyalty.”

And yes, wayward teens need SOME consequences, but leave the law out of it unless they are serious dangers to themselves or others.


74 posted on 05/12/2008 12:22:48 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: cubreporter

It’s something I never understood either. Why do they need to gather in jail yards? Why do they need to all eat in a lunchroom? Why do they get weight rooms? Why can’t there be little cells with a cot, sink, and toilet, and enough room to do jumping jacks and pushups for exercise? It’s supposed to be JAIL, not a college dorm.


75 posted on 05/12/2008 12:28:13 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
It isn't just about a baseball cap. This middle-aged son had been told to stay away, but he went to his father's house and kicked in the door.
76 posted on 05/12/2008 12:33:54 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: CGTRWK

Good book

You recognize it. So few people do.


77 posted on 05/12/2008 4:58:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Nude dancing in North America)
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To: MrB

barbaric Christiainity is”.

How reality based Christianity is...


78 posted on 05/12/2008 4:59:09 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Nude dancing in North America)
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To: Yaelle

Yours is the smartest post here.

I am going to frame that!


79 posted on 05/12/2008 4:59:47 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Nude dancing in North America)
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