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The dragon awakens: China, how did it happen?
http://snurl.com/28a9d ^ | 05.10.08 | Hamish McRae

Posted on 05/10/2008 7:51:17 PM PDT by Dr. Marten

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To: Dr. Marten
Yeah, speaks to their morals and business ethics when their country allows copies and sales even outside of their country of bootlegged things like DVDs.

They are also known for manufacturing for companies like Nike for shoes. They have two shifts, but illegally run a third shift and sell those shoes themselves without Nike.

They do that with lots of things. Golf clubs, watches worth thousands each, other sports equipment and so forth.

You made a great point.

41 posted on 05/10/2008 8:53:58 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ken21

“I apologize for the typo.

30%

it’s the excessive credit that’s doing american consumers in.”

You mean it is doing the country in. As a consumer credit is great especially credit that can never really be collected. I am willing to bet at least 1/4 of the credit card debt out there will never be collected. For example I have a relative you recently went into a rest home under Title 19. She has nothing. She has never had anything, but the credit card companies loaned her in excess of $30,000. They will never see a dime of that money. She gets to keep $50 per month of her pensions which goes for basic necessities, and she would not survive to collect those pensions without the rest home. What is a credit card company to do? Well I have no sympathy. They were the idiots that lent the money.

I sometimes feel like an idiot being the ant trying to save as much as I can for my family’s future. The world is being run by grasshoppers. $30B to bail out the investors in Bear Sterns. Plans to bail out mortgages. The federal government willing to take on any debt no matter how bad it is. We have gone truly insane.


42 posted on 05/10/2008 8:58:27 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: Common Tator
Our comptuers will build computers which will build everything else.

Google "Rare Earths" and see who is sitting on top of that situation.

43 posted on 05/10/2008 9:01:29 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Stop buying anything made in China and it will slow them down. Doesn’t anyone pay attention any more or are we that greedy to look for cheap junk.


44 posted on 05/10/2008 9:06:39 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Dr. Marten
China, how did it happen?

RINOs and Slave Party traitors in the White House.

45 posted on 05/10/2008 9:18:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Shryke
Not to be the Devil's advocate, but in the interest of better defining the challenge, China is seeking more resources, now, today. It has extended its sphere of trade influence from North America to Africa--and continues to do so while it peacefully can.

Upgrading to an internal combustion engine agricultural economy will help the chinese with some resources, but having a large base of people living in realtively primitive conditions ensures national survival if all goes wrong.

Waging war for resources with neighbors is hardly the option of preference nor a limitation on the nation with the world's largest shipping fleet.

All they need do is establish an economic beachhead anywhere in the world and gradually increase their influence.

Most of the third world is run by people who are amenable to living in relative luxury as well-ensconced figureheads, and the Chinese have an innate understanding of 'face'.

What talent they need can be bought or groomed beyond that.

If they can use the American president as a de facto figurehead when buying the technology they desire, what makes you think the rest of the globe is immune?

As for their military, the stick remains in case someone questions the carrot, but the carrot will generally suffice.

Sun Tsu would realize that the war best won is one in which you never need to shed blood, but being a nuclear power and having a virtually limitless conventional military are effective deterrents to open martial conflict.

In the meantime, the exported tools they make have gone from being complete crap to useable, cheap, and even well finished. I would imagine their improvements in metallurgy and manufacturing will be present in their military hardware as well.

46 posted on 05/10/2008 9:24:01 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: elpadre

“I’ll bite! Did the Clinton/China shenanigans play a role in the military and technology advances??”

And paid for by lazy stupid Americans who buy chinese crap at wall mart and everywhere else...

Just found out the Chinese power systems the US bought for the troops has killed 12 since 2003 because of faulty grounding..

Buy China..Buy death.


47 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:17 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Exactly. Anyone who hasn’t read Sun Tzu, or studied the writings about the Three Kingdoms period, will never understand China. They have gone from Empire to chaos and back again several times. There was a point where the Chinese naval fleet would have outnumbered the English, French and Portuguese in both absolute ships and guns, there have been times when China had the largest army in the world. China just has so much history, and even the second rate students often know a great deal of it. They’ve had competitive bureaucratic examinations for 1200 years. And notice how easily Mao was able to subsume the traditional place of the Emperor.
The Chinese can wait another 100 years to become the worlds sole superpower. We think in terms of quarterly reports or a year, they’ve got nearly 4000 years of empire in writing, another 100 is nothing. And not making a value judgement, power wants power; they consider themselves just as entitled to be the worlds sole superpower as we, or the Russians do.


48 posted on 05/10/2008 10:01:51 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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To: Dr. Marten
They are very sneeky


49 posted on 05/10/2008 10:47:13 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Carry_Okie

And let’s not forget to give special credit to John Glenn.

When the Congress was investigating the China influences, poor old Fred Dalton Thompson was out-maneuvered by Senator Glenn in delaying and obfuscating the issues. There was no “bi-partisan effort at getting at the truth” - there was Democrap efforts to hide the truth.

John Glenn - a great Korean War Veteran, a veteran of the USMC, and a gallant astronaut, sold out his country for his Democrap friends and a chance for a flight in the Space Shuttle. His past service has been tarnished and his name is mud to me. Yes, Benedict Arnold was a great Revolutionary War hero for the Americans, but then he got greedy and was ready to turn West Point over to the Brits. His past service is ignored, and his name remains synonymous with traitor. Some day in the future, I hope that historians put Glenn’s name (as well as Clinton, Hazel O’Leary and others) in that same Hall of Shame.


50 posted on 05/10/2008 11:35:00 PM PDT by Vineyard
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To: kinghorse
“Their leadership has no measurable moral authority. They are neither a democracy nor parlimentary nor aristocratic. The authority is not legitimate”

Yes but with the size of their population, if only 20 - 30 are drive by nationalism over morals that is authority in itself.

The government can play using that and drive it to effectively mobilize the country. Remember, IIRC only about 30% of the settlers and colonists in the North America wanted to break with Britain and look where it got us.

51 posted on 05/10/2008 11:36:19 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is NOT a presidential only. 3 to 5 Supremes will retire! Vote accordingly)
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To: exhaustguy
“we need to concentrate on our sphere (the western hemisphere) and spend less time and resources worrying about Europe, Asia, and Africa”

Seems many espoused that prior to WWII.

It failed and (among many other things) helped bring on WWII.

52 posted on 05/10/2008 11:44:06 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is NOT a presidential only. 3 to 5 Supremes will retire! Vote accordingly)
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