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The dragon awakens: China, how did it happen?
http://snurl.com/28a9d ^ | 05.10.08 | Hamish McRae

Posted on 05/10/2008 7:51:17 PM PDT by Dr. Marten

China's growth over the past few years has been nothing short of miraculous, and it is predicted that the economy will overtake America's within a generation. But how did it all happen? And what are the implications for the rest of the world?

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1 posted on 05/10/2008 7:51:18 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: HighRoadToChina; maui_hawaii; srm913; Free the USA; rightwing2; borghead; ChaseR; soccer8; ...

China ping!


2 posted on 05/10/2008 7:51:50 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: Jeff Head

Ping.


3 posted on 05/10/2008 7:52:30 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
I'll bite! Did the Clinton/China shenanigans play a role in the military and technology advances??
4 posted on 05/10/2008 7:56:54 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: Dr. Marten

China CANNOT overtake the US, until they offer virtually free markets. PLANS and INPUTS are otherwise unrelated to OUTPUTS. They will advance, but overtake America? They can FORGET it, if they remain a Dictatorship.


5 posted on 05/10/2008 7:57:56 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

Actually, their party-dictatorship has somewhat of an advantage. Hell, even the United States isn’t a full-fledged free market.


6 posted on 05/10/2008 8:00:22 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
China, how did it happen?

$$$

7 posted on 05/10/2008 8:00:58 PM PDT by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)
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To: Dr. Marten; JACKRUSSELL; TigerLikesRooster

It started with Richard Nixon. But it was Bill Clinton who was really insturmental. Indeed, Clinton did more for China’s national security than for that of his own country.


8 posted on 05/10/2008 8:03:41 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Karl Marx supported free trade. Does that make him a free market conservative?)
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To: Dr. Marten

The deals made with American Commerce with the blessing of the American Government...that’s how !


9 posted on 05/10/2008 8:05:26 PM PDT by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years)
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To: Dr. Marten

The deals made with American Commerce with the blessing of the American Government...that’s how !American cash is helping them compete with us !


10 posted on 05/10/2008 8:06:58 PM PDT by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years)
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To: Dr. Marten
But how did it all happen?

The CEOs and politicians in our Nation gave away our prosperity in exchange for personal golden parachutes.

11 posted on 05/10/2008 8:07:52 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Dr. Marten

2 words.

Bill

Clinton


12 posted on 05/10/2008 8:08:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: Dr. Marten; All
"'We like your president. We want to see him reelected', former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way."

From a 2003 Washington Post article:

"...a statement [Bill] Clinton made in February 2002, in which he told an audience in Australia, 'This is a unique moment in U.S. history, a brief moment in history, when the U.S. has preeminent military, economic and political power. It won't last forever. This is just a period, a few decades this will last.'

Clinton continued...

'In all probability, we won't be the premier political and economic power we are now' in a few decades, he said, pointing to the growth of China's economy and the growing economic strength of the European Union.

Whether the United States maintains its military supremacy, he said, depends in part on how much those other entities invest in their militaries, and Clinton said working cooperatively is essential to U.S. interests.

But he said he did not want to be misunderstood. 'I never advocated that we not have the strongest military in the world...I don't think a single soul has thought I was advocating scaling back our military.'

Source: Washington Post article from May 2003:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62253-2003Apr30&notFound=true

or find his remarks here (Talon News):
Clinton Predicts America's Decline:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/nw03/talonnews/0503/newswire-tn-050503d.htm

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The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate

By Richard Poe
May 26, 2003

CHINA WILL LIKELY replace the USA as world leader, said Bill Clinton in a recent Washington Post interview. It is just a matter of time. Clinton should know. He has personally done more to build China’s military strength than any man on earth.

Most Americans have heard of the so-called "Chinagate " scandal. Few understand its deadly import, however. Web sites such as "Chinagate for Dummies" and its companion "More Chinagate for Dummies" offer some assistance. Unfortunately, with a combined total of nearly 8,000 words, these two sites – like so many others of the genre – offer more detail than most of us "dummies" can absorb.

For that reason, in the 600 words left in this column, I will try to craft my own "Idiot’s Guide to Chinagate," dedicated to all those busy folks like you and me whose attention span tends to peter out after about 750 words. Here goes.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented little threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldn’t hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.

Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.

China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy – equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do their dirty work, while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.

In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal respectively, thus controlling access both ways. A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California’s Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from their bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.

How did China catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed – or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness are to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.

As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity"– the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.

To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O’Leary to head the Department of Energy. O’Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.

Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes. Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.

In his book The China Threat, Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked. Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton’s campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs. Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.

"We like your president. We want to see him reelected," former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way.

Clinton’s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

Clinton received funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.

Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton’s front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown’s Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.

Needless to say, China does not share Clinton’s enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for Number One.

"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war." Bill Clinton has given them a good start.

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate:
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=125

or,
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml

13 posted on 05/10/2008 8:08:12 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Dr. Marten

They have over four times our population, IIRC. Of course their economy will overtake ours someday! The Republic of Korea only has 50 million people and has a HUGE economy.


14 posted on 05/10/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: skinny old man

“The deals made with American Commerce with the blessing of the American Government...that’s how !American cash is helping them compete with us !”

You’ve got that right!


15 posted on 05/10/2008 8:11:33 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: 2harddrive
Do not underestimate the ability of a dictatorship to get the job done. We have been up against a couple of tough ones in the last century, and defeating them was only done with a level of resolve and sacrifice on the part of a multitude of Americans (try rationing sugar, butter, tires, and fuel today) that I just do not see happening today.

While China seeks to solidify its energy hegemony with Offshore drilling in Cuba, strengthens relations in Africa and elsewhere for energy, and builds a blue water navy to safeguard/enhance/expand its claims to offshore resources, all sans environmental restriction, the United States has been strangling itself with regulation and prohibition.

We squander our resources on those who will not be productive by choice, leave our borders open, and denigrate the very industry which, hobbled at every turn by our own government, continues to reliably put fuel in America's tank.

Who is building nuclear power plants? (China).

Who is using coal and new hydropower reaources, and who is cutting back?

Admittedly, I don't want the US to have the pollution China has, but our prohibitions on even environmentally responsible energy infrastructure and resource development are going to have us running on empty long before the finish line if we don't wake up.

16 posted on 05/10/2008 8:13:25 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Once China accepts the duties of policeman to the world (just one of the perks of being #1), all these other little tinpot nations will be enjoying their nostalgia for the good old days when Uncle Sam bestowed his benign attention upon them.

China is not likely to be tempered by anything like “political correctness”. Just maximizing the direct national benefit to China, none of this crap about being “enlightened”.


17 posted on 05/10/2008 8:15:02 PM PDT by alloysteel (Note to self : Proof-read post BEFORE hitting "POST" tab. For both content and spelling.)
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To: Dr. Marten
The economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping began in 1978, introducing – very slowly – the market system into what is still in many ways a controlled economy.

Deng grilled Armand Hammer about Lenin's New Economic Plan. Hammer was in the Soviet Union as a young man. Yes, it's called NEP. The Chi-Coms studied NEP.

Those a little higher up the income scale are the 400 million or so of the new middle class.

Only about 900 million to go. Many of whom [have] never seen people like [the 400 million], the foreign-educated, new middle class of the cities

How did it all get going and growing? Useful idiots, as Lenin called them. Transfers of Western FDI and technology, theft of Western intellectual property, knock-offs of Western goods, counterfeiting Western goods are some of the reasons.

18 posted on 05/10/2008 8:16:32 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Dr. Marten
China's entire economy was smaller than the growth of the U.S. economy during the 2003-2007 timeframe.

However, since the rats took over congress our economy has taken a nose dive.

19 posted on 05/10/2008 8:19:20 PM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: Dr. Marten

here we go with another fear and hate the chinese ...

/s

one thing the chinese do that we don’t do, is

save money.

they save ~305 of their incomes. that’s a tremendous boost to their economy.


20 posted on 05/10/2008 8:19:25 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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