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FAIR WARNING: The source of this article (Harper's) is a once-great American magazine that has been transformed into a lefty screed-sheet over the years. Nevertheless, the author evenhandedly makes several points worthy of discussion, including his main point: that government statisticians cook the numbers to make things seem better than they really are. Despite the suspect source, I believe this article is worthy of note and further discussion.

As always, opinions expressed in articles posted by me do not necessarily reflect my own opinions.

1 posted on 05/08/2008 8:00:49 PM PDT by B-Chan
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"...that government statisticians cook the numbers to make things seem better than they really are."

Ummm...isn't that what statisticians are paid to do?

Otherwise, they'd be called Accountants.

2 posted on 05/08/2008 8:04:47 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The secret of Life is letting go. The secret of Love is letting it show.)
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Just consider the following ... this is not intended to offend any liberals:
This email comes in three parts:

PART 1:

Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratically controlled Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for ‘change’ in 2006, and we got it!

Remember, it’s Congress that makes the law, not the President. He has
to work with what’s handed him.Remember, it’s Congress that makes the
law, not the President. He has to work with what’s handed him.

Quote of the Day: ‘My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.’ — Barack Obama

PART 2:

Taxes. Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics
enlightening and amazing. Www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Both democrat candidates will return to the higher tax rates.

It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people&nbs p;who fall into the categories above can’t wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you SCam somebody out of some money and they don’t even know what happened.

PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with propaganda that it’s the
‘Iraq War’ and the ‘War on Terror’ that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URLs for verification of all the following facts:

1. $11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify
at: http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify
at: http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at:
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML

5. $17 billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 M illion dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify
at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.htm

8. $90 billion dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify
at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by illegal aliens. Verify
at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. Verify
at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period’ Verify at:
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin. Verify
at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes are Committed By Illegal Immigrants In The United States’ Verify
at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!

Are we voters that stupid?

If this doesn’t bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C. five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof????

Marque -Diane Vassar
Sacramento State University
COMS 103 Graduate Assistant


3 posted on 05/08/2008 8:05:26 PM PDT by 9422WMR (When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.)
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nor does this article reflect alan greenspan’s views, either!


4 posted on 05/08/2008 8:05:31 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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And the next question should be.....”if the books are being cooked, by who and why?” Who is really in control and what is the ultimate goal? Is our government really a sham and are we all being duped by another organization?


5 posted on 05/08/2008 8:08:05 PM PDT by RC2
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I find it difficult to believe the economy is as bad as they make it out to be now. I live in the Tri-Cities in Washington State and across the road from where I live they just started a new housing development in Feb. They have already built 15 houses and have lots sold for 40 more. Every restaurant in the area is always booming Mon. through Sun.
6 posted on 05/08/2008 8:08:25 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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Only when a Republican occupies the White House do numbers mean something different than what they say. When a dem holds the office, the numbers mean what the numbers mean, unless they’re bad, in which case they’re not as bad as they seem, hence Bush has presided over the worst economy since Hoover and the Carter years were not so bad.


7 posted on 05/08/2008 8:09:01 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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We have to have something to counteract the Marxist agitprop spewed by the Democrat America haters.

If we listened to them alone, we'd all be slitting our wrists.

8 posted on 05/08/2008 8:12:13 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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A good summary of important corruptions that affect us all.


11 posted on 05/08/2008 8:18:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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Aside from high gas prices and a rise in food prices, I am not personally aware of any problems in the national economy. Maybe I’m just lucky — but I get the impression that the panic is totally overblown.


13 posted on 05/08/2008 8:21:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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Moreover, since the 1990s, the CPI has been subjected to three other adjustments, all downward and all dubious: product substitution (if flank steak gets too expensive, people are assumed to shift to hamburger, but nobody is assumed to move up to filet mignon), geometric weighting (goods and services in which costs are rising most rapidly get a lower weighting for a presumed reduction in consumption), and, most bizarrely, hedonic adjustment, an unusual computation by which additional quality is attributed to a product or service.

The old methods overstated inflation. They assumed constant proportions of income for a standard basket of goods and didn't take into account substitutes. Let's say the price of beef goes up. The old method assumed beef is a constant proportion of household consumption. Real consumers shift consumption over to substitutes like chicken. A price index that fully adjust the price overcompensates, so consumers can can buy a better basket of goods after the indexing.

14 posted on 05/08/2008 8:22:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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There are lies, D*mned lies, and then there are statistics.


18 posted on 05/08/2008 8:26:20 PM PDT by Nachum
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Michael Medved pointed out on his show the other day that one tenth of American households paid $60 each for a copy of Grand Theft Auto IV in the last week.

I think that speaks a lot more about the economy that all the blowhards blathering about bread lines and tent cities.

20 posted on 05/08/2008 8:31:32 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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Harper's. It's a tabloid for the "elite." 'nuff said.
22 posted on 05/08/2008 8:41:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I'm over it.)
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Kevin Phillips was the author of “The Coming Republican Majority” back in the 70s. I’ve always enjoyed reading his work. As usual around here he is a Good Guy when what he writes agrees with the party line. And then he’s a Marxist when he writes something about the emperor’s clothes.


23 posted on 05/08/2008 8:42:56 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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If things are so bad why did Disney do so good?


24 posted on 05/08/2008 8:44:21 PM PDT by woofie
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funny after greenspan just said the worst of the credit crunch is over

on drudge.com


26 posted on 05/08/2008 8:51:48 PM PDT by television is just wrong (you don't have to be white to be a racist.)
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I 100% agree with that article and love the key phrase “pollyanna creep”. Note it cuts across political parties — endemic to the notion of big government.


33 posted on 05/08/2008 9:25:58 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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Thank you for posting this. I've been following this issue since the first real estate bubble collapsed in 1990, and this is the first time I've seen all the various leads packed into one article.

The Sidlinger Corp. tracked the true numbers back in the Nineties, but Old Man Sidlinger is gone. Now John Williams tracks the true stats at his Shadowstats website.

This article is a Unified Field Theory of Governmental Manipulation of Statistics. And both parties were in it up to their necks.

37 posted on 05/08/2008 9:35:06 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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What important is whether they cook the number in a systematic manner. If they are, then the cross-year numbers are comparable to each others. If they are not, is there any systematic effort to upward or downward them? Again, if the answer is yes, we can still compare them with some adjustment. If there's no systematic effort at all, which means the US economic data are cooked all the time, why do we believe in any data and discuss them in the first place?
38 posted on 05/08/2008 9:35:39 PM PDT by paudio (Michelle Obama: a Typical Black Woman)
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then why post left wing propaganda ?
what is the point ?


41 posted on 05/08/2008 9:44:18 PM PDT by ncalburt
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