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The Christian case for supporting Israel
National Post ^ | May 08 2008 | Father Raymond J. De Souza

Posted on 05/08/2008 3:10:09 PM PDT by knighthawk

Why should Christians care about Israel? Amid the National Post's extensive coverage of Israel's 60th anniversary, it is a question worth asking.

In particular, it was a question I had to think seriously about a few years ago when I was invited to join the board of directors of the Canada-Israel Committee, the branch of organized Jewry in Canada that defends the cause of Israel, works to enhance Canada-Israel relations and promotes Israel in Canadian public opinion. Before accepting, I wanted be sure that there were theological reasons for joining. I did accept, for three reasons which I think answer the broader question of why Christians ought to care about Israel.

The first reason is because of the unique relationship, shared with no other religion, between Christians and Jews.

In the late Pope John Paul II's felicitous phrase, the Jews are our "elder brothers" in the faith. We believe as a matter of faith that the covenant made with Abraham, renewed on Sinai with Moses, is irrevocable. God does not repent of His promises. Jews do not believe that the promises made to Israel are definitively fulfilled in Jesus Christ, but we hold that all that is authentically Christian has its roots in Judaism. St. John's Gospel records the words of Jesus: "Salvation is from the Jews."

The consequence of this is that Christians ought to care about the concrete, historical reality of the children of Israel, among which are counted the Lord Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Joseph and the apostles. Today, to care about Jews is to care about what Jews care about, among which the State of Israel occupies a central place. To care about Israel does not mean approving all the policies of any particular Israeli government -- not even a majority of Israeli Jews do that! At the very least though, it seems to me that to care about Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people means to support its full membership in the family of nations. If all the nations of

the Earth are to be blessed in the blessing divinely promised to Abraham, then it cannot follow that the one nation excluded should be that of Israel.

Second, professing faith in Jesus Christ, true God and true man, means embracing the whole incarnational dimension of God's plan of salvation.

Matter matters for Christians -- flesh and blood, history and land. The finger of God has traced an itinerary of sacred places around the world, and primary among them is the holy city of Jerusalem. We cannot forget Jerusalem, as the psalmist sings, and so we must also care for the holy places of Jerusalem and related sites in Israel, Palestine, Jordan and Egypt.

The State of Israel has proved a trustworthy guardian of the Christian holy places, making it relatively easy for Christians to go on pilgrimage. It is true that there are Palestinian Christians who live close to Jerusalem who are unable to freely travel there, and that needs to be resolved, but on balance, given the long sweep of history, the State of Israel has been a friend to Christian pilgrims. That merits support.

Third, the ancient local churches in the Holy Land are the living body of Christ.

Christians are under great pressure. There is plenty of anti-Israel sentiment -- and more than sentiment -- among Christian Arabs, some of it justified. Yet the unhappy reality is that inconvenience and occasional injustice from Israel is better than the alternative Christians face in Arab societies increasingly coming under the sway of militant Islam. Israel does not persecute Christians qua Christians; that is too often the reality elsewhere. Indeed, throughout the wider Middle East, Israel is certainly in the lead in terms of religious liberty and the practical situation of Christians.

I part company from those Christians who argue that the State of Israel is theologically necessary. That strikes me as confusing the kingdom of God with the politics of this world; to attribute to any state a divine mandate is to go a step too far. I prefer to rest with a contingent judgment based on the very contingent facts of history, as messy as they are, and no place are they messier than in the land of Israel and her neighbours.

To be a friend of Israel is not, I think, mandatory for Christians, but I submit that our faith gives us ample theological reasons to not only befriend Israel, but amid the many storms, to be a stalwart friend.


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1 posted on 05/08/2008 3:10:09 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
I disagree. I see Israel's establishment as part of the on-going process of redemption. First, it will physically reunite the Children Of Israel in their country. Second, it will spiritually awaken the Jewish people to their true holiness that can only be realized in Eretz Israel. Third, the holy light from every Jew in Israel will be like a candle that will light up and transform the entire world. We will all be witness one day to the truth of the word of Hashem and the Torah coming from Zion and Jerusalem and all the nations will finally know the True Lord Of The World - the God Of Israel who will be the Universal God of all Mankind.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 05/08/2008 3:20:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: knighthawk

To what purpose does is serve the Christian community for it’s shepherds to be chasing after the approval of other religions?

Besides, wasn’t the modern state of Israel created by the U.N.? Isn’t the messiah supposed to call the Jews back to Israel? From a purely theological question, the modern state of Israel is a stumbling block for traditional Jews and Christians.

From a secular point of view, who needs a cleric telling us anything? Of course the U.S. is an ally of Israel and together we’ll stand.

Yours truly,
The Woim


3 posted on 05/08/2008 3:27:22 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitate for social change: Abolish gun laws! Abolish the Dept of Education! Encourage succession!)
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4 posted on 05/08/2008 3:29:50 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk
I guess it doesn't matter whether Israel has a higher moral claim to the land they possess. As for Christian Arabs, maybe he should read Brigitte Gabriel.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 05/08/2008 3:33:08 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: The Woim

Israel was created by the British mandate way before the UN evven excisted. Also the UN wanted to have the area under it’s control, check this:

http://www.nysun.com/news/battle-over-israel-s-birth


6 posted on 05/08/2008 3:33:19 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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Forgetting the Christian religious "case", most Christians can tell the difference between freedom and barbarity. Most American Christians anyway.

7 posted on 05/08/2008 3:44:57 PM PDT by SJackson (I'm a lawyer, Barack is a lawyer, all our friends are lawyers, Michelle O.)
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To: knighthawk

Excellent point - it still fails theologically.

Yours truly,
The Woim


8 posted on 05/08/2008 3:57:19 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitate for social change: Abolish gun laws! Abolish the Dept of Education! Encourage succession!)
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To: The Woim
To what purpose does is serve the Christian community for it’s shepherds to be chasing after the approval of other religions?
Civility helps. Also, he is simply countering the propoganda by certa Islamo-Christian dhimmi, liberation theologians, and those who allow a theological suppersession (Christians as the New Israel) to become a desire to see Jews be forever wandering second-class people.

Besides, wasn’t the modern state of Israel created by the U.N.? Isn’t the messiah supposed to call the Jews back to Israel?
Cyrus the Great was given the title of Messiah for allowing Jews to return to Israel after Babylonian captivity. Why cant even a vile institution like the UN be part of G_d's plan here?
Also, the UN recognized the Third Israeli Commonwealth. Jewish blood and the will of G_d created it.

From a purely theological question, the modern state of Israel is a stumbling block for traditional Jews and Christian
It is no stumbling block for Jews. For those Christians who lack faith in Jesus as the Messiah, I suppose it could be. That's you fault, not Israels.

9 posted on 05/08/2008 4:22:41 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: knighthawk

It is Biblical, end of story. Our Heavenly Father said He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse it.


10 posted on 05/08/2008 4:26:50 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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"Forgetting the Christian religious "case", most Christians can tell the difference between freedom and barbarity. Most American Christians anyway."

"Forgetting the Christian religious 'case'," for Israel in America at this point, while the Evangelical/Other Christian community is wielding such substantial cultural and political muscle, is novel, as it is the central arena in American/Jewish relations today. We, of course, continue to be sensitive to the Conservative Jewish community's cultural caution in partnering with this.

That being said, yes indeed, any American Christian—any sane person for that matter—can tell the difference between freedom and Islamic barbarity on display daily in Israel.












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11 posted on 05/08/2008 5:43:50 PM PDT by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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To: vpintheak
It is Biblical, end of story. Our Heavenly Father said He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse it.

Exactly...it's enough that the Lord thinks enough of these people to have done the things He has done with and TO them. It's not a matter of whether or not we "like" them, but rather how we are to react to the situation according to the Lord's perspective, and because we want to obey Him. :-)
12 posted on 05/08/2008 5:58:26 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: rmlew

Nice try, but really - it’s a failed attempt.

Civility? Who’s against that?

From a Jewish perspective, the Romans defeating the Jews in 66-128 AD and the smashing of the temple were edicts from G-d. You’re not allowing to retake something by force.

In fact, the secular state of Israel is a grave spiritual error.

From a Christian point of view, anything post Resurrection is moot. There is no spiritual tie between Christians and Jews.

As an example, if the Jewish Messiah showed up tomorrow and brought all Torah true Jews to Eretz Yisrael (the real one - not the contemporary one) then Christians would understand themselves to be in spiritual error.

Although there’s nothing in the Chumash that prohibits non-Jews from straying. Non-Jews are not binded (or blessed) to be obedient. If believing in Jesus is idol worship - there’s no sin committed by a gentile for believing.

Yours truly,
The Woim


13 posted on 05/08/2008 6:00:49 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitate for social change: Abolish gun laws! Abolish the Dept of Education! Encourage succession!)
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Amen, and I don't want to be on the receiving end of God's curses.
God Bless and Protect Israel forever.
By the way ? in the Bible ? a generation is what ? 20 years ? 40 years ? 70 years ? 80 years ? in 10 years Israel will have it's 70'th Anniversary..... the number 7 is God's number.... 7 is significant in the Bible.
14 posted on 05/08/2008 6:02:01 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: The Woim
From a Jewish perspective, the Romans defeating the Jews in 66-128 AD and the smashing of the temple were edicts from G-d. You’re not allowing to retake something by force.

In fact, the secular state of Israel is a grave spiritual error.

It is a perspective, one held by a minority of Jews. In fact, most Orthodox Jews are either Zionists or reconciled to the State of Israel.
There are some Jews who cling to a extra-biblical Rabbinic ruling that was made at the point of Roman Swords. I consider the ruling, by its very nature, a crime against Judaism.

From a Christian point of view, anything post Resurrection is moot. There is no spiritual tie between Christians and Jews.
So why are you so threatened by the modern State of Israel?

As an example, if the Jewish Messiah showed up tomorrow and brought all Torah true Jews to Eretz Yisrael (the real one - not the contemporary one) then Christians would understand themselves to be in spiritual error.
And some day, this will come. Many Religious Zionists believe that the Jewish settlement in Israel hastens this. But the belief of gentiles is not really a concern

Although there’s nothing in the Chumash that prohibits non-Jews from straying. Non-Jews are not binded (or blessed) to be obedient. If believing in Jesus is idol worship - there’s no sin committed by a gentile for believing.
There are the laws of Noah, but i consider Christians to be close enough.

15 posted on 05/08/2008 6:22:13 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: knighthawk
The Christian case for supporting Israel

Decency.

16 posted on 05/08/2008 6:45:55 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: The Woim

As post number 9 points out, even God uses human insitutions such as the UK and then after that, the UN to bring Isreal back to life again. All this for the glory of God.


17 posted on 05/08/2008 7:06:34 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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Correcting myself, “countries such as the UK”.


18 posted on 05/08/2008 7:12:13 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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19 posted on 05/09/2008 4:33:58 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hillary, Obama, McCain. Curley, Larry, Moe. Decisions, decisions,)
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To: rmlew

Ok, I’ll play along. HaShem uses the UN and the Brits to create the modern state of Israel. If so, this would be similar to other Biblical miracles. In each occurence, except Moses and the 40 years of hardship in the desert to spiritually purify the Jews there was an complete victory with total defeat for the enemies (think Purim, think Parshas Mattos - there are others that I haven’t listed). Ok, the modern state of Israel is now 60 years and the terrorist attacks are increasing. Remember, anti-semitism is mostly a punishment from HaShem.

So, following along still? I’ll bet you are.

Of course, there are supposed to be four terrible kingdoms which will be a trial and tribulation for the Jews and some rabbi’s (Sfornos is one; Abarbanel is another - of course there are others) who consider Christianity to be the fourth and most terrible Kingdom.

Perhaps. G-d only knows.

However, the secular state of Israel is pro-gay (an abomination), pro-abortion (Sure, Jews allow abortion but it’s NEVER allowed because the woman wants to look good in a bathing suit or simply doesn’t feel like having a bab); not particularly diligent in following Kashrut laws; and most importantly was not established by the messiah/moshiach.

Now, it’s ok to disagree with me. And you’re right, only the holiest of Jews know how much of a spiritual mistake the modern state of Israel is.

None of my arguments should be construed to mean that the U.S. should no longer be an ally of Israel, the modern state of Israel is a friend of America and friends look out for each other.

As for the Christian cleric, I sure wish those guys would stop whoring after Jewish approval. Focus on doing the right thing.

Yours truly,
The Woim


20 posted on 05/09/2008 7:10:40 AM PDT by The Woim (Either abolish the Army and the Air Force or reassign them to protect American borders!)
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