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GOP leaders warn of election disaster
Politico ^ | 5/6/08 | JOHN BRESNAHAN

Posted on 05/07/2008 3:50:49 AM PDT by Dawnsblood

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To: Dawnsblood

In the end because of the sucess of OC and Obama having ended up becoming bloody, McCain will win the general by default.


21 posted on 05/07/2008 4:07:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Dawnsblood

The problem is that Republicans now do not stand for a sensibly-unified governing principle. Pres. Bush has done great things for America, but his triangulation in social policy has hurt his party. When conservatism is infected with the notion that to be conservative we must be ‘compassionate’, then the very underpinning of conservatism is rotted away. That principle, to me, is that one begins to conserve by standing up and providing for oneself. Compassionate conservatism decays that by insisting that there is a standing class of those who cannot (read: will not) do so and we, as conservatives, must help them.

I deny that principle, at least from a politically institutional point of view. It is one thing to be personally charitable for those one personally knows to be on hard times. It is another to order that everyone ‘pay it back’. That makes personal initiative a sin, for which those who achieve must pay. And there’s never any forgiveness nor absolution. You just keep paying and paying and you keep empowering the brokers who made up the whole charade in the first place. Their power grows as they more and more effectively steal money, always making sure to keep a nice slice for themselves.

This has bedeviled American politics since Progressive days before WW I, but it’s now endemic and systemic. This is an election where Americans appear determined to be stupid and to do so with a vengeance. They’d apparently rather cut off their own financial arms than stand up and be adults and take care of themselves, ignoring the chattering and power-hungry sets and getting on with life.

It’s 1968 all over again and, truth be told, I lived through the ‘70’s that resulted and I don’t want to do so again. I’ll vote to prevent it, to the extent I get the opportunity, but I expect to have to hunker down for at least the next two year.


22 posted on 05/07/2008 4:09:15 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: Dawnsblood
“There is an attitude that, ‘I better watch out for myself, because nobody else is going to do it,’” the member said.

Fair enough. Heaven knows that's how ya'll governed for the 12 years you were in power.

23 posted on 05/07/2008 4:11:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (What if Tony Almeida is the 12th Cylon?)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
They are going to learn some hard lessons come November.

Wanna bet?

24 posted on 05/07/2008 4:12:31 AM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: Dawnsblood

This is interesting, maybe, just maybe they need to make their message more conservative.

Then the money will flow back in and we will turn out and vote.

Or they can believe what McStupid believes ‘I can win without conservatives’.

IMHO I don’t think so.


25 posted on 05/07/2008 4:13:46 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: Dawnsblood

Well, they are a self inflicted wound and brought this totally upon themselves for all their stupidity!! They have utterly failed Americans and conservatives. They wanted to be liberals, and now they are going to pay for it. I am sure they are going to get destroyed in November. I know no one around here, solid conservatives, who are happy with the party, the candidate for president, the other crap these fools are guilty of.


26 posted on 05/07/2008 4:16:17 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (IT IS A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS IF OBAMA, HILLARY OR MCCAIN IS THE BEST WE HAVE TO OFFER AS PREZ.)
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To: txzman
his has all the hallmarks of a Bob Dole campaign.

And with all the hallmarks of a Bob Michel fight for control of Congress. The GOP is now the Party of Bobs.

27 posted on 05/07/2008 4:16:38 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Please Newt STFU, you lost ALL your creds with your global warming crap.

I sure hope it was worth it you POS sellout.


28 posted on 05/07/2008 4:17:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: Dawnsblood

U.S. MILITARY 2008!


29 posted on 05/07/2008 4:20:07 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: DOGEY
When they had the ball, they fumbled. Stood only for reelection, nothing else. Spent like Democrats. Party needs revamping from the top, down.

Agreed. I always find it interesting that people claim they want change yet they go into the voting booth and pull the lever for the very same useless corrupt politician that has them in the very mess they find themselves in election after election. I do wonder, how can one seek change yet do nothing different to make it happen?

30 posted on 05/07/2008 4:21:02 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: samtheman
Whatever you do, don’t listen to Gingrich.

Yep! Listen to McCain and Bush. That's the ticket.

31 posted on 05/07/2008 4:22:22 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: txzman

as ann coulter said, McCain is Dole without the warmth and charm


32 posted on 05/07/2008 4:22:35 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
These are the same people that allowed a conservative from my district who wanted to close the border to lose to a liberal Democrat last time. They refused to support the party's nominee. This was after he defeated their hand picked Rino candidate in the primary. And they meddled in that too.

So now I got this super liberal feminazi ditz who sends out full color gaudy brochures of her posing with the troops she doesn't support. I don't even know if we have a Republican running in this district, but I suspect not because the NRCC was so happy to elect our wonderful Democrat libby lady last time.

They reap what they sow.

33 posted on 05/07/2008 4:22:54 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Dawnsblood
Another problem the GOP has:
As he continues to reach across the aisle to moderates and Independents, McCain still has problems appealing to a signficant number of Republican voters.

He, the assured nominee, still loses 23% of the GOP vote in Indiana, 27% in North Carolina and 27% in Pennsylvania.
One can be almost assured that 90% or more of the Dems will hold their noses come together to support their nominee. [Look at the number Kerry got in 04.]

McCain and the RNC need to open their eyes. Their reach to moderates and Independent might very well end up putting the Dem nominee in the White House.

Even if half of the rebel/holdout GOP voters hold their noses and vote for McCain, that still leaves him short with 86-88% of his party vote.
34 posted on 05/07/2008 4:24:05 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: MarkL
Quick! The Republicans had better start taking a more liberal and leftward bent

Right. Let's have Gingrich do some global warming commercials with Pelosi /extreme sarcasm

35 posted on 05/07/2008 4:24:33 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Kleebo151

I just don’t see Obama winning. I can easily see McCain faced with an overwhelming opposition Democrat majority in both houses, though.


36 posted on 05/07/2008 4:26:51 AM PDT by kms61
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To: Luke21

“These are the same people that allowed a conservative from my district who wanted to close the border to lose to a liberal Democrat last time. They refused to support the party’s nominee. This was after he defeated their hand picked Rino candidate in the primary. And they meddled in that too.”

And they’ll hold that loss up as proof that the GOP should run liberal Republicans and that Americans aren’t concerned about illegal immigration or border security.


37 posted on 05/07/2008 4:27:39 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Luke21

“They reap what they sow.”

They can’t figure out why they keep pulling up onions.


38 posted on 05/07/2008 4:27:55 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: pnh102
The end result of all this is that there are simply too many people dependent on government now for conservatives to make their case.

If half the "taxpayers" don't pay any federal tax, and even get EI credits, who cares about tax cuts?

39 posted on 05/07/2008 4:28:57 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Kleebo151

I think the Mississippi election next week will tell us a lot. The Louisiana race was kind of unique in that Woody Jenkins was a truly awful candidate, who many Republicans absolutely refused to support. The seat may very well flip right back to the GOP in November, assuming they can find someone besides Jenkins to run for it. If the MS race also goes Democrat, that will be significant.


40 posted on 05/07/2008 4:30:18 AM PDT by kms61
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