Posted on 05/06/2008 8:01:43 PM PDT by cdchik123
McCain 342,959 74% 0 Huckabee 56,641 12% 0 Paul 34,152 7% 0 No Preference 17,996 4% 0 Keyes 12,388 3%
No matter who is elected, the Democrats have already won.
Johnny B Liberal is a Globalist also. He may not sell us out to the UN. No it may be far worse than that. My vote will not go to a Hillbomacain.
What are they, washing dishes?
Yes, the Breck Girl wasn’t outed yet as a liberal - he was a one-termer for a reason.
And, yes, we’ve already lost, Juan’s a tool and a fool.
Using Marquess of Queensberry rules to fight the DNC might give us the high ground, but it insures a loss also.
Actually this is very telling data...McCain is despised by conservatives. His appearance at the LaRaza meeting will only result in less conservatives to vote for him in the general. The GOP is in for a crushing defeat...this started with Bush Sr. who has been an advocate for moderates and a one world govt. After Obama wins get ready for most of what we know as truth according to the constitution to be taken away. Its going to be scary.
Because Fred is a party man, while I am not. I actually deregistered from the GOP after the SC primary results. Fred can do what he wants, and he is still ideologically lightyears ahead of McCain, but I wasn't going to cast a primary ballot for McCain. I will in the general, but only because the alternative, whoever it ends up being, will be much, much worse.
Republicans in NC may be making a come back after years of failure. Voters were sending a message to McCain.
You are 100% correcto!
McCain can get my vote one of two ways.
He can disavow his support for Amnesty and Global Warming and gun control,
or he can select a conservative as a running mate and vow only to serve one term.
Short of that, he ain’t getting it.
You are correct - it was 28% who voted against McCain in PA - including me.
The GOP elites - and several posters on this thread - are purposely pulling the ostrich routine on this, sticking their heads in the sand with fingers over their ears, yelling "NA NA NA - WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!). Thye figure if they simply ignore us, eventually we will come to our senses and vote for whom our betters have selected for us.
They are in for a very rude awakening.
Check past elections - once the nomination is sewn up, the presumptive nominee generally pulls in 90-95% of the vote in the remaining primaries. Yet this year, over 1/4 of the republican electorate is refusing to do so, even though they know it will make no difference to said elites.
GOP Hacks, you may not want to hear this, but McCain remains unacceptable to the conservative grassroots. He always has been, and always will be. YOU will take the responsibility for this lost election for forcing a completely unpalatable candidate down our collective throats.
B. Hussein Obama will be elected president in November 2008, followed by (hopfeully, if the Stupid Party can finally return to its principles) a 94-esque return of conservatism in 2010.
Thye figure if they simply ignore us, eventually we will come to our senses and vote for whom our betters have selected for us.
I’m no fan of McCain, but the fact is that he was selected by the rank and file Republican voters in the primary elections.
If you’re willingly labeling the dopes who gave him the nomination your “betters” you need to work on your self-esteem.
And we keep getting more and more pond scum for candidates because so many keep voting for them anyway - they figure voting for the "lesser of two evils" is better than nothing. They then act surprised when they get exactly what they voted for - evil.
My self-esteem is fine - thanks for asking. As far as McCain being selected by rank-and-file GOP votes, it is a delusion I have previously addressed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1990380/posts?page=94#94
You are sadly mistaken and ignoring our own Freeper actions.
So many here keep saying they will vote for McCain, not because they think he would be a good president, but because they are voting AGAINST Hillary or Obama.
Casting a vote in today’s elections is far more likely to be a vote against the other candidate(s) than one in favor of the one you cast your vote. That is exactly what you are doing when you vote for “the lesser of two evils”. You are voting against what you perceive as more evil.
Yoy should tap the top of that microphone and ask “Is this thing on?”...
As far as McCain being selected by rank-and-file GOP votes, it is a delusion I have previously addressed:
Despite your feelings that the media manipulated them, it is not a “delusion” that the rank-and-file Republicans voted for McCain.
Unless you have evidence of massive ballot fraud, it is an unfortunate fact that so many Republicans voted for him in the primaries, but a fact it is.
And your contention that Fox News and other media can control the votes of substantial numbers of Republicans is belied by the fact that Rudy Guiliani earned less delegates than Ron Paul.
Are you serious? Fox News does not sway Republican voters? I suppose neither Rush Limbaugh nor Sean Hannity do in your world either...
I have no evidence of vote fraud - none was needed. There is clearly evidence that the entire primary process was organized and orchestrated in such a way to ensure a non-conservative candidate would get the nomination.
IMHO, it originally was going to be Rudy (judging by Hannity's over-the-top shilling, that certainly was the Murdoch preference), until the conservative blowback was too great for the hacks to ignore. Therefore, McCain (who had been on life support until then, borrowing money just to pay the bills) was the fallback position.
They figured out that an unapologetic pro-abort candidate would completely blow up the party - at least with McCain, he has a nominal pro-life voting record even if his other actions (coughGangof14cough) run 180 degrees contrary.
Hey, that's fine if that's what the GOP elites want - just leave us out of it. Many of us (over a quarter, by recent voting results in PA and NC) have already decided we are not going along for the ride over the cliff to Dem lite.
I have reached the point of acceptance that, barring death or debilitating injury to the GOP candidate, a liberal will occupy the White House the next four years. The only question remaining is whether it will be a liberal supported by the GOP - thus resulting in the passage of a ton of left-wing legislation, including immigration amnesty - or one opposed by the GOP.
Personally, if the GOP wants people like me back, they need to stop enabling liberalism and start fighting it.
So your contention is that they can make people vote for John McCain, but they can't make people vote for Rudy Guiliani.
It seems like somewhere in there you're acknowledging that people are going to vote for who they want to vote for. As you noted Sean Hannity, the NY Post, Fox News, and every other right-leaning big money media empire were all skirt-wearing chearleaders for Team Guiliani. But in the end, they didn't have the control you imagine them to have.
John McCain's campaign was dead-in-the-water in my eyes and in the eyes of the media. The primary voters changed the equation and then the media got on board. Your cart is your horse and vice versa.
Absolutely - for precisely the reason I told you. McCain at least can be sold as a nominal pro-life candidate, whereas Giuliani could not be.
It seems like somewhere in there you're acknowledging that people are going to vote for who they want to vote for. As you noted Sean Hannity, the NY Post, Fox News, and every other right-leaning big money media empire were all skirt-wearing chearleaders for Team Guiliani. But in the end, they didn't have the control you imagine them to have.
So you basically have acknowledged my main point - that the GOP elites did everything in their power to nominate a liberal (Giuliani). Great.
What we disagree on is McCain - you claim this Phoenix rose from the ashes naturally in the aftermath of Rudy's blowup. My contention is he was Plan B for the elites all along - basically the same liberal positions as Rudy, except he could be sold as nominally pro-life.
John McCain's campaign was dead-in-the-water in my eyes and in the eyes of the media. The primary voters changed the equation and then the media got on board. Your cart is your horse and vice versa.
Here is where we will have to agree to disagree. McCain has no support, except among the inside-the-Beltway crowd and the news media. You don't remember their constant shilling for him in 2000? How about 2004, the night when Zell Miller spoke at the GOP Convention and McCain went on NBC to refute Miller's claims against John Kerry?
McCain is a 100 percent media creation, powered by the GOP elites, IMHO. The real question you should be asking (and you seem like a smart guy, so you've probably already realized this), is: Why?
The 800-pound elephant in the room is this. The GOP elites have no more interest in overturning Roe vs. Wade than the 'Rats and media do.
With four solid conservative votes and JP Stevens & Ginsburg ready to keel over any day now, they had to cover their bets to avoid any possibility of a fifth anti-Roe justice. Hence, the plan was hatched to secure a GOP nominee that would make sure, in the event he won, that that fifth conservative nominee would never make it to the SC.
THAT is why I have left the GOP and will not be voting for McCain, despite his lies to the contrary yesterday. You are certainly welcome to do otherwise, but consider this.
If we go ahead and vote for McCain after all he has done to destroy conservatism, we are no different to the GOP than blacks are to the 'Rats: just mindless lemmings driven to vote by fear of the big boogeyman in the other party, then wondering for four years why nothing ever changes for us.
We will deserve no respect, and will receive even less.
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