[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Must Read PING! ;)

[dvan]

Should have it in a Spanish translation.

[SoConPubbie]

The Reconquista movement is full of cowards and lazy people.

Too weak and too lazy to solve the problems in thier own country, so they come over here thinking they can take advantage of our laws and overwhelm us.

Too bad John McCain wants to help them accomplish their goals.

[ElkGroveDan]

like Irish-Americans, migrated to the United States because of dismal economic prospects at home.

The difference of course, is that we Irish settled in and eagerly became Americans. We spoke the language. We didn't try to turn America into Ireland and we didn't demand a damn thing from anyone, and we survived poverty by assisting each other. We chose the most respectable jobs and became police officers to help keep order in our wonderful new home. We fought and died in wars to defend America some of us even changed our names to sound more American.

Big difference. Great big difference.

[Travis McGee]

"The True History of the Southwest, 101"

The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the "Aztlan" fairy tales. What's the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The "conquistadores" (that means "conquerors") did it with the lance, and the lash.

For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the "lost cities of gold." One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest--not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the "new bronze race of Mestizos" toro-mierda.

By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn government of Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.

For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.

Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these provinces subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a "Mexican!"

So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.

Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.

And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole, (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are now supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some "historical claim" of a right to live there?

From where does this absurd idea spring?

At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn't happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.

In summary, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!

NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of, NOT ONE.

They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.

It's time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Maybe the Mexicans need to start thinking about what happens when we have had enough of their bushwah and decide to make Mexico an American protectorate or colony.

[tumblindice]

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and over-run prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids - would move back ‘home’, mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone. Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals cause to local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver’s four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, the repatriation of 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience

If 20 million illegal aliens returned ‘home’, the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law and employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn’t be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push ‘1’ for Spanish or ‘2’ for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually.

In cities like LA., 20,000 members of the ‘18th Street Gang’ would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans. No more habitual drunken drivers, rapists and child molesters. Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and traffic gridlock, meaning cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens. That would also put the ‘progressives’ on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases.

America’s economy is drained and taxpayers are harmed while unscrupulous employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn’t return to the aliens’ home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America’s economy - which currently has an $8.7 trillion national debt.

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.
Americans wouldn’t suffer TB and hepatitis cases brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border, from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, ‘colonias’ or new neighborhoods. Those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where there is grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.

This is America’s new ‘Third World’ inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally, more than all other countries combined annually.

We cannot and must not allow anarchy to continue at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.

[AuntB]

“You can accuse me of Anglo-American jingoism if you want, but would you at least consider the possibility that the only reason the American southwest is so affluent today is because it is part of the United States and not Mexico?”

Perfect!

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Reform mexico? Are you kidding?

That would require work, hard work, and risk of injury.

The kleptocracy that is mexico would not take kindly to a bunch of rabble trying to upset the status quo.

Much easier to get the gringos to do the heavy lifting for them with shamnesty supporting politicians and pro bono law suits against those anglo invaders.

[WOBBLY BOB]

pingamigo

[Oatka]

. . . consider the possibility that the only reason the American southwest is so affluent today is because it is part of the United States and not Mexico? Both the Southwest and Mexico were blessed with temperate climates and abundant natural resources. The only reason why the former prospered while the latter stagnated was because the one was well governed and the other poorly governed.

I've posted this before, but that basically is what I use in any in-your-face encounter with the "you stole our land" types. I.E. "In 1847 both sides of the border looked exactly the same. We turned our side into a wealth-generating land - what the Hell did you do with yours?"
(I'm usually called a racist at this point.)

[Mogollon]

1). Cinco de Mayo- celebration commemorating mexican revolutionary defeat of Maximillians' French troops at Torreon. (Why they're so proud of winning a battle against the French is anyones guess.)

2). The southwest never belonged to Spain or Mexico except on paper. The southwest was the heart of Apacheria and it clearly belonged to the Apaches until General George Crook pacified the Apaches in two campaigns (1870-72 and 1882-86).

[quadrant]

Its amazing. Cinco de Mayo is proclaimed as a time for Hispanics to celebrate. Yet the Cubans, Argentines, Colombians, and Venezuelans that I know scorn Cinco deMayo.