Posted on 05/03/2008 4:48:48 PM PDT by LJayne
There is a movement on the horizon that has the potential to change the educational system in America and influence your kids, you and the youth you serve. For decades now, Neo-Darwinism has maintained a stranglehold within public education, suppressing all other theories on the origins of life—especially those that hint of a "designer".
(Excerpt) Read more at wingclips.com ...
Index to Creationist Claims: Claim CI301 -- The cosmos is fine-tuned to permit human life. If any of several fundamental constants were only slightly different, life would be impossible.
Rodger That!
Few concepts stretch the mind as much as the fine-tuning of the universe.For example, Oxford physicist Roger Penrose said one parameter, the “original phase-space volume,” required fine-tuning to an accuracy of one part in ten billion multiplied by itself one hundred and twenty three times.
Penrose remarked that it would be impossible toeven write down that numberin full, since it would require more zeros than the number of elementary particles in the entire universe.
“And they also have no evidence for species jumping,”
That is correct, and your entire post is EXCELLENT!
“You are supporting a lie.”
LOL, LOL, is that all you’ve got?
You can’t refute or prove otherwise, so you simply call it a lie.
Second, and this is vital, please note there are intelligible words in the monkey's post! They are: "go he her out"
Go he her out.But, what does it mean . . .?
Go he her out.
Go he her out.
Go he her out.
Go he her out.
LOL, LOL, is that all you’ve got?”
No, he has this gem:
7. In fact, the anthropic principle is an argument against an omnipotent creator. If God can do anything, he could create life in a universe whose conditions do not allow for it.
It's a very clever trick; it's really a part of post 53 with all of the style elements in place to make it look like an inserted post.
But, what does it mean . . .?
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The claim was made that there is a huge debate within science, and two theories are battling it out. You know, "Teach the controversy!"
This is a lie spread by the Discovery Institute and other creationists to try to convince school boards and legislators.
Within science there is only one theory explaining the origin of species, and that is the theory of evolution. There is no battle between competing theories.
But the lie is still spread in hope of fooling folks who don't know any better.
I see no PROOF; only more THEORY.
It is very difficult with have a discussion with you if you keep jumping subjects.
Are we done with the previous subject dealing with the creationist lie that there is a huge controversy in the evolutionary sciences between two opposing theories?
I know he needs your help, but I was talking about Coyoteman not being able to refute this:
“Chemistry professor Nancy Bryson lost her job at a state university after she gave a lecture on scientific criticisms of Darwin’s theory to a group of honors students.
Law professor Francis Beckwith had his tenure challenged at Baylor University because he had expressed a professional opinion that it was constitutionally acceptable to teach intelligent design in public school classrooms.
Three days before graduate student Bryan Leonard’s dissertation defense was to take place, Darwinist professors at Ohio State University accused Leonard of “unethical human-subject experimentation” because he taught students about scientific criticisms of evolutionary theory.
High school teacher Roger DeHart was driven from his public school simply because he wanted his students to learn about both sides of the scientific debate over Darwinian evolution.
Biology professor P.Z. Myers at the University of Minnesota wrote this about anyone supporting intelligent design or even just questioning modern evolutionary theory: “Our only problem is that we aren’t martial enough, or vigorous enough, or loud enough, or angry enough. The only appropriate responses should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing and humiliation of some teachers, many school board members, and vast numbers of sleazy far-right politicians.”
Unfortunately, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Let’s hope Stein can use Expelled like an ice cutter to break through. Scientists and educators deserve all the protection and support they can get.”
excerpt http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/new_ben_stein_flick_expelled_b.html
All he could say is that it is a lie. He won’t admit the loss of academic freedom/free speech.
Here’s more about the loss of academic freedom/free speech:
“Darwinists at George Mason University, Ohio State, Baylor, SMU, University of Idaho, the Smithsonian Institution and a number of other universities and research centers have been hunting down and trying to disgrace and intimidate scientists and educators for daring to defy the Darwinian orthodoxy. Most recently we saw the witch hunt return to Iowa State University and focus on astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez.
University of Idaho president Timothy White issued an edict proclaiming that it is now “inappropriate” for anyone to teach “views that differ from evolution” in any “life, earth, and physical science courses.”
The National Center for Science Education sent out a letter urging all 50 state governors to restrict teaching the controversies of Darwinian evolution.
The Ohio State Board of Education was pressured by the ACLU to repeal its Critical Analysis of Evolution lesson plan and revert to teaching only those items which support Darwinism, essentially censoring the state’s science teachers from expressing any criticism of Darwinian evolution at all.
Cornell University President Hunter Rawlings, III, delivered a polemic speech denouncing intelligent design and scientists and scholars researching the theory.”
excerpt http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/new_ben_stein_flick_expelled_b.html
What are the evos afraid of?
All he could say is that it is a lie.”
Anything he doesn’t agree with he resorts to “it’s a lie”
You are supporting a lie.High school teacher Roger DeHart was driven from his public school simply because he wanted his students to learn about both sides of the scientific debate over Darwinian evolution.
There are not two sides in the scientific debate over the theory of evolution.
There is religion, and a particularly narrow interpretation of religion at that, trying to overturn a scientific theory with scripture and divine revelation.
And because they don't have evidence, they have to stretch the truth or outright lie. This "two sides of the scientific debate" is a prime example.
The truth and the existence of God. It would mean a radical change in their life and world view. This is not a bad thing although their fear is that this is a terrible thing.
Coyoteman, mind summarizing this for us? Maybe I missed something.
I see documentation of changes within the gene pool of a species that can create another hybrid. Evolution does take place with a species family. I see nothing profound in here or any evidence coming close to the transformation of one distinct species into another. Scientists admit there's no such evidence. Science has failed to explain or show conclusive evidence of one distinct species transforming into another, much less the giant leap of faith that theorizes a monkey turning into a man or an amoeba transforming into an animal.
A stalwart tenant of faith of the evolutionists. Just keep saying it over and over...
no amount of evidence that science could produce would convince true believers that they are wrong...they will not give up their belief because of evidence.
And yet you haven't produced one shred of evidence to refute ID. This is truly remarkable
They did not come to their belief by evidence...
We provide concrete evidence and its ignored - certainly not refuted. Chalk it up to another tenant of evolutionists faith. Keep saying it over and over...
outsiders
Why do liberals think they're superior to others? If you believe in ID, you're an "outsider"?
coming into science with a new and strange idea, should bear the burden of providing some evidence?
Another wonder. Here's a Darwinist, whose flawed theory came into existence about 150 years ago, who calls ID which has been around for centuries, "new and strange." Your history as well as your science is greatly flawed.
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