Posted on 05/02/2008 5:13:31 AM PDT by Zakeet
When a renegade Mormon sect was looking for a quiet place to live out its polygamous beliefs, it made a Texas-sized mistake when it picked this state to move to.
Texas responded by raising the age at which children can legally get married with parental consent, and law enforcement agencies immediately put the sect in its crosshairs.
The result was raids this month that left 463 minors in state hands or foster care. With judges saying they will hear abuse cases individually, the sect's practices are sure of thorough legal scrutiny.
"They made a big mistake when they came here," said Harvey Hilderbran, who represents this part of Texas in the state legislature. "We didn't invite those folks to Texas but by God we expect them to obey our law."
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Authorities in Arizona and Utah have accused it of coercing young girls into marrying much older men. Its leader, Warren Jeffs, was convicted in Utah last year as an accomplice to rape for forcing a 14-year-old girl to marry her cousin.
"With action being taken in Arizona and Utah, it seems like they decided to branch out," said Benjamin Bistline, a historian who has written about the sect in Arizona. "They didn't realize they were making a mistake going to Texas."
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While I think you are in the main correct, many of the apologists have some connection to the Mormon church. It seems the most vocal defenders of this sect are people who have close friends or relatives who are Mormon. I don't know why, but it's more than just one or two data points.
“While I think you are in the main correct, many of the apologists have some connection to the Mormon church. It seems the most vocal defenders of this sect are people who have close friends or relatives who are Mormon. I don’t know why, but it’s more than just one or two data points.”
Like I said, I have seen no evidence the defenders are mainstream LDS Mormons.
And I DO have friends and relatives who are LDS Mormons (I have never been). I would bet my friends and LDS Mormon relatives are at least as adamently opposed to the FLDS goings on as anybody; probably more so.
When I say more so, I think it is because they know will be smeared by Mormon-haters over this, even though it is none of their doing.
The mLDS members look at polygamy with longing in their hearts.
Assuming you mean LDS members: no, we don't.
Thus endeth the lesson. Have a nice day.
So why doesn't the LDS Church remove Doctrine and Covenants section 132 from their scriptures?
Was Jesus a polygamist?
Don't you long to be like Jesus?
I am a mainstream Mormon, and I think the crimes committed by this FLDS sect are disgusting and despicable, and have said so since the beginning of this incident one month ago.
Yet, time after time, as I read through these threads, I am constantly bombarded by ignorant Mormonbashers who say that I am no different than the child rapists of the FLDS because all “Mormons” are the same.
I’ve just about had it with this place.
News flash: 99.9% of Mormons don’t think much about polygamy at all. It’s not something we wish “we” were still doing. It’s not something we look forward longingly to do in the future. We’re just trying to live our lives here and now, the best we can, the way we feel God wants us to.
We are not living 118 years in the past. We leave that to you.
Please, P-Marlow, go on hating us and willfully misunderstanding and misrepresenting who we really are and what we believe. Keep doing so, because it obviously gives you great pleasure and joy. You must not have any other hobbies, so if this is the only thing that makes you happy, enjoy. Knock yourself out.
Just don’t expect me to play your little game.
God will judge me, not you. God will judge me, and He’ll judge you, too.
Sorry to post and run, but I have been too busy to spend much time on FR lately.
As a woman born and raised in the United States, I cannot believe that ANY woman would EVER agree to be in a polygamous situation unless she’s been brainwashed or threatened or just too disenfranchised or abused to realize she deserves to be monogamous or to be a single woman living her life with dignity and safety.
We American women have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, meaning, in part, our own lives and the freedom to share our lives with decent men who will respect us and love us.
Why don’t these women just pick up some cast iron skillets and clobber their pedophile creepy husbands up side the head?
Maybe you should think about it. After all the PROPHETS of your Church have stated that it is essential to your exhaltation.
Mormon Prophet Joseph F. Smith:
"Some people have supposed that the doctrine of plural marriage was a sort of superfluity, or nonessential to the salvation of mankind. In other words, some of the Saints have said, and believe that a man with one wife, sealed to him by the authority of the Priesthood for time and eternity, will receive an exaltation as great and glorious, if he is faithful, as he possibly could with more than one. I want here to enter my protest against this idea, for I know it is false... Therefore, whoever has imagined that he could obtain the fullness of the blessings pertaining to this celestial law, by complying with only a portion of its conditions, has deceived himself. He cannot do it. When that principle was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith,... he did not falter, although it was not until an angel of God, with a drawn sword, stood before him and commanded that he should enter into the practice of that principle, or he should be utterly destroyed, or rejected.... I understand the law of celestial marriage to mean that every man in this Church, who has the ability to obey and practice it in righteousness and will not, shall be damned, I say I understand it to mean this and nothing less, and I testify in the name of Jesus that it does mean that." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, pp. 28-31)
Do you not look forward with longing towards your eventual exaltation? If your prophets are correct, then how can you do it unless you become a polygamist?
I must join that.....”I say God bless
Texas.”
Nissan is referred to as "the month of the redemption." According to the accepted opinion of our sages: "In Nissan our forefathers were redeemed from Egypt and in Nissan we will be redeemed" (Tractate Rosh HaShana 11a).
Nissan is a month of miracles (nissim). The fact that the name Nissan possesses two nuns implies, according to our sages, nissei nissim--"miracles of miracles." Of the redemption of the future it is said: "As the days of your exodus from Egypt, I shall reveal to him wonders." In Chassidut this verse is explained to mean that the wonders of the redemption of the future will be wondrous and miraculous relative to the miracles of the Exodus from Egypt--"miracles of miracles."
In the secular media - throughout the month of Nisan no less - we have heard repeatedly the phrase, "Yearning for Zion". No surprise, Zion derives from the word tsiyun, a sign or mark.
Jeremiah 31.
6. For thus says the Lord; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout on the hilltops of the nations; proclaim, praise, and say, O Lord, save your people, the remnant of Israel:
7. Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the ends of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and she who labors with child together; a great company shall return there:
8. They shall come weeping, and with supplications will I lead them; I will make them walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, where they shall not stumble; for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn:
I'm just curious. What laws of the State of Utah would have been violated ?
Wow.
Thanks for that post, very appropriate.
Polygamy is wrong and against the law but far worse is the way this was turned into a sex cult for the leaders. The woman look so stupid and brainwashed. Most of it not their fault. The whole granny dress stuff is cult like and brainwashing. And the way the young men were booted so the older men got the young women for their 5th and 6th wives is piggish and immoral
Said when polygamy was being practiced on earth.
1878.
You’re hopelessly stuck in the past.
I’m not.
Said when polygamy was being practiced on earth declared illegal in the United States.
The Mormons were flaunting the laws back then.
Why are you so embarrassed of your prophets?
So, you come by this naturally, I take it.
Where were the Mormons in 1878? In the United States?
Give up. You lose. You’re doing nothing to bring souls to Christ. You’re obsessed with Mormon past, and you ought to be more concerned about your own future.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go baptize my daughter and help increase the swelling LDS membership rolls.
May God bless you.
Your brother in Christ.
I guess they were their own independent nation, huh?
Utah was a territory under the sole and sovereign jurisdiction of the United States of America. The Congress had outlawed polygamy in the territories under its jurisdiction and the Mormons flaunted that law until the church was eventually disincorporated and the Government had begun seizing assets of the LDS Church.
It was only after the US Goverment began actively enforcing the laws that the LDS Church had their so-called "revelation" suspending the practice.
If you are trying to argue that the LDS Church was not in violation of the law then you have no knowledge of your own church history. Which doesn't surprise me since you think that quoting prophets from 100 years ago is "Living in the past".
Well the prophets I quote and from whom I derive my doctrine all lived thousands of years ago.
So yes, I do live in the past. 1878 is but a moment in time on the Biblical prophecy time line. Joseph F. Smith was not only a recent prophet, but a false prophet to boot.
Obsessed and ignorant is no way to go through life, son.
Then you should take some prozac and read some books.
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