Posted on 04/30/2008 5:59:16 AM PDT by Crim
RALEIGH - A hearing into the firing of a state trooper accused of mistreating his police dog opened today with a video of the officer kicking the dog as it was suspended from the railing of a loading dock. The 15-second video, taken by another trooper using his cell phone, shows Sgt. Charles L. Jones kicking the dog, Ricoh, five times. The dog was tied to the railing by its leash at the time, with its front paws in the air and its rear paws touching the ground. With each kick, the dog swung about two feet under the dock.
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Quite right.
nothing “clever” about it...it’s called evidence.
And it clearly falls into the definiton of swinging by a leash tied tightly around the poor animal’s neck.
stay safe
Let me ask you something? Do you own a dog? Did you train it by kicking it? Do you think that kicking, hitting, etc. are ok "training methods"? I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from on this. On one hand you say being swung around by the neck on a leash "obviously very harmful" but, then you say the dog was found to be "physically unharmed" implying that kicking the dog was not harmful in any way and was, therefore, ok.
Missed out of the FLDS threads I take it...
*grin*
You're obviously a rapist.
At least that what I was called.
I guess you weren't here for the case of Congo the NJ dog sentenced to death then. We had calls, emails & marches.
For anyone who remembers Congo, his life was spared & thank you all who helped to save him!
Of course.
Do you own a dog?
Yes I do.
Did you train it by kicking it?
Of course not.
Do you think that kicking, hitting, etc. are ok "training methods"?
Absolutely not. Where have I defended that?
On one hand you say being swung around by the neck on a leash "obviously very harmful" but, then you say the dog was found to be "physically unharmed"...
True and true.
...implying that kicking the dog was not harmful in any way...
Not my intent to imply that at all. That's why I specified "physically."
...and was, therefore, ok.
Your presumption or projection, not my statement.
“Has anyone taken notice of the fact reported on Fox News this morning that the dog was checked out by a vet after the incident and was found to be physically unharmed?”
Your point?
Does that somehow absolve the officer in your mind?
Do you regularly support animal abusers...or only when they are cops?
Or are you making the same claim as the officer...this is not abuse but a valid “training technique”...
I can only hope that you don't own any animals.
Please don't take my defense of this animal as being an "animal rights activist" in any way! I definitely am not. I just don't believe they should be mistreated unless they are attacking you or they kill or maim someone.
My point is that "the dog was checked out by a vet after the incident and was found to be physically unharmed."
Does that somehow absolve the officer in your mind?
Of course not.
Do you regularly support animal abusers...or only when they are cops?
Now you're just being an abusive jackass. I don't support animal abusers. I'm not supporting the cop. I'm saying he should be fired and criticized for what he actually did, and that we should restrain our criticism to those acts it has been established he actually committed.
Or are you making the same claim as the officer...this is not abuse but a valid “training technique”...
No.
I’m glad I’m not the only one finding Petronski’s statements a little confusing as to his take on this! On one hand he seems to defend it, while condemning it on the other. Is he saying it’s alright sometimes, or justifiable in certain situations? Or that because this was someone who is presumed to be a “professional” that they knew what they were doing, and thus it was ok?
I do own animals and have owned animals. But only as pets. Not as working animals expected to go out into the real world and work in a responsible way.
Have you seen "The Dog Whisperer". The guy is an expert trainer. He makes no mistake that dogs should be treated as people. They understand certain actions and certain mentalities. He often employs physical actions like jerking on their collars, or using his hand to "bite" them as a dominant dog would do to make them comply. Often the people who call him think that he is being "too mean" to their pets. But he's training them how to act and behave how they're expected to act and behave.
Now I'm not a dog trainer, but I did raise children and did employ spanking when necessary to reinforce the lessons that they shouldn't do things that could be harmful to themselves or others.
THANK you for clearing that up for all of us!! :~)
Our neighbor owned a riding academy and bought several new unbroken horses.
The neighbor hired a local cowboy bronc buster to break the horses to ride.
One Saturday morning this cowboy came riding one of the horses through our front yard.
The horse was giving him trouble each time he violently yanked on the rein causing the horses mouth to bleed.
The cowboy jumped off and picked up some barbed wire and got back on the horse.
Each time the horse failed to respond to his command he would whip the heck out of the horses neck with the barbed wire.
My dad walked out of the house and yelled at the cowboy to stop.
The cowboy yelled back some expletive.
Dad went out to the cowboy, reached up and knocked him off the horse.
Dad marched the cowboy walking and leading the horse back over to our neighbor and explained why his bronc rider had a black eye.
Thats the way folks who abused their animals were treated back in the late 50’s in rural Oklahoma.
By the way that was the one and only time I remember seeing my dad hit another fellow human being.
The dog was helicoptered according to the cop who took the video. The dog did swing by its neck after each kick.
What are you quibbling about now? If its whether the dog was helicoptered by the leash that is not a mitigating factor. However the dog was helicoptered it is abuse. The animal could easily have been hurt.
I’m not quibbling about anything. I didn’t say anything about mitigating factors. Nothing mitigates the kicking.
‘I’m saying he should be fired and criticized for what he actually did, and that we should restrain our criticism to those acts it has been established he actually committed.”
Why stop there? What he did is a crime and he should be tried for that crime.
“Now I agree that if he had it strung up by his neck and was kicking it for no good reason (as the story tries strongly to imply) than it’s horrible. But if he’s trying to make it let go of it’s leash out of it’s mouth and the dog doesn’t take him seriously than I can understand his tactics . “
So theres a reason good enough to string a dog up by the neck and kick it? What exactly is that supposed to teach the dog? Dogs are simple creatures and beating is not all that effective in training them. It tends to make them vicious animals that will snap at anything. Perhaps that is what he was really trying to accomplish???
“But we are talking about a working dog here, one that needs to follow rules and obey ALL the time and not just when he feels like it.”
So the fact he could not get it to release would mean two things 1) its been very poorly trained, and 2) its not safe to use as a police dog.
The long and short of it is this department encourages this kind of behavior and has an outrageous double standard. Guess thats nothing new in the modern world of law enforcement.
I'm not saying that I've never swatted my dog with a newspaper to the butt once or twice. Maybe I'm crazy to see a clear difference between swatting a dog and kicking it.
Judges are not supposed to base their decisions on public opinion. Judges are supposed to follow the law. That is the difference between contacting a judge and trying to influence their opinion, and contacting an elected Representative who are supposed to represent the people’s opinion and then enact those opinions into law.
governor.office@ncmail.net
Tell them what you think should be done.
Carolyn
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