Posted on 04/29/2008 6:15:15 AM PDT by stockpirate
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is proposing a greater federal commitment to people without health insurance on Tuesday, suggesting that it help funds states to set up non-profit risk pools to help Americans who are denied coverage or can’t afford it.
McCain’s health-policy experts provided a ballpark estimate of $7 billion a year for the new federal commitment.
“Cooperation among states in the purchase of insurance would … be a crucial step in ridding the market of both needless and costly regulations, and the dominance in the market of only a few insurance companies,” McCain says in remarks prepared for delivery Tuesday morning in Tampa, Fla.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
McCain is one amoung many that are trying to address the healthcare problem....and the illeagal problem. Both are very complex and there is no easy answer. Sorry, But it’s just a fact that the average American knows little about how insurance actually functions and therefore makes irrational and emotionally packed statements. The bottom line is that his idea is just that...an idea...one that (under the current regualtions) the States will all have to come together on ...which is like herding cats. Each State has a vested interest in NOT co-operating. Calling me names is hardly helpful to a complex discussion.
“. Calling me names is hardly helpful to a complex discussion.”
I didn’t call you a name. You insulted someone for NO reason, except to prop up your amensty agenda and I called you on it. Now, JERK, this is name calling, get it?
I do think there’s a disconnect between overwhelming profit in the forms of massive bonuses in health care only to deny treatment an insured’s medical team may request because it’s ‘too expensive’ (the example I’m using without going into detail is a $6,000 example).
BUT...I absolutely, do not ever want the government involved in my health care under any circumstance. Rather, I’d like to see the insurance industry revamped which would still allow freedom of choice, particulary the freedom of being able to change hospitals and doctors if you so choose because of sub-standard treatment.
Will we be bringing back prohibition or regulate alcohol, too? What about regulating fast-food?
Making illegal aliens legal is not solving a problem. MORE government involvement in healthcare is not a conservative solution.
Sorry, But it’s just a fact that the average American knows little about how insurance actually functions and therefore makes irrational and emotionally packed statements.
Asking you a question is an "irrational and emotionally packed" statement? NO. But your response sure was!
The bottom line is that his idea is just that...an idea...one that (under the current regualtions) the States will all have to come together on ...which is like herding cats. Each State has a vested interest in NOT co-operating.
The bottom line is that "pooling" redistributes cost--it does not reduce it.
Calling me names is hardly helpful to a complex discussion.
Then why did you resort to throwing out personal insults instead of answering the question?
I like your about me page.
I have been trying really hard to vote for McCain and I was almost there last week then NC’s GOP had to go and run that ad, or ops, McCain had to open his big yap.
He wants to be a maverick and go against the party, but wnats us to shut up and do as he tells us.
What a NUT bag.
Yep....I get it.....you don’t have the intelligence for a rational debate on a topic as complex as insurance...so you stoop to name calling. Sorry for you.
Here is what we are faced with.
It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. “The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”
The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern “maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets.” But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. “Market exchange,” says Mises, “is only a sham.”
Mises’s account is confirmed by a remarkable book that appeared in 1939, published by Vanguard Press in New York City (and unfortunately out of print today). It is The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Guenter Reimann, then a 35-year old German writer. Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.
“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”
Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.
“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.
You started it. Like the typical RINO, can’t finish something you start.
JERK.
“Then why did you resort to throwing out personal insults instead of answering the question? “
Because he can’t. :<)
They throw insults in an indirect way.
For instance insurance is too complex for most to understand.
Meaning if you don’t agree with I am saying you are an idiot.
We call it elitetism.
well...your lack of intellegent discussion is at least consistant! Good for you!
And we call it a “lack of in-depth critcal thinking on a complex topic”. Much easier to call people “rinos” than to bring some research to the discussion. Flame away....
“Flame away”
I wasn’t flaming, I am no RINO.
I honestly don't expect you to have a "brilliant" solution. My task with my previous sarcastic remark was to get you to think instead of just blast McCain for his idea. And I stand by that. Quick griping, or come up with a better way.
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This thread is useless ... I'm outa here. Everyone wants to complain, but few want to discuss solutions. That's unreasonable, IMO. See ya.
What an absolute scumbag. The Massachusetts program costs $1.2 Billion a year, alone.
Purposefully BS'ing to the American people, when the truth is one google search away, is the stupidest part of this condescending idiotic scam.
Thanks! I need to add to my collection but I haven't had time.
I have been trying really hard to vote for McCain ...
Yeah... I was there, too. Then I keep watching Arnold. Liberal republicans can indeed be worse than democrats.
I haven't decided what I'll do in November but I know I'll still be fighting against amnesty, global warming nonsense
and other socialist ideas, no matter who is pushing it.
Ass...Door.
“The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”
We're getting there. :-(
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