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McCain moves to middle on health care (what a guy, why does this not surprise me)
Policito.com ^ | 4/29/2008 | MIKE ALLEN & JONATHAN MARTIN

Posted on 04/29/2008 6:15:15 AM PDT by stockpirate

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is proposing a greater federal commitment to people without health insurance on Tuesday, suggesting that it help funds states to set up non-profit risk pools to help Americans who are denied coverage or can’t afford it.

McCain’s health-policy experts provided a ballpark estimate of $7 billion a year for the new federal commitment.

“Cooperation among states in the purchase of insurance would … be a crucial step in ridding the market of both needless and costly regulations, and the dominance in the market of only a few insurance companies,” McCain says in remarks prepared for delivery Tuesday morning in Tampa, Fla.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; communism; election2008; healthcare; independentvote; issues; marxistmiddle; mccain; mccare; middlemyeye; middleofmarx; notmiddle; socialism
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Well all the RINO's will move this!
1 posted on 04/29/2008 6:17:08 AM PDT by stockpirate
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To: stockpirate
...suggesting that it help funds states to set up non-profit risk pools to help Americans who are denied coverage or can’t afford it.

>snip

“Cooperation among states in the purchase of insurance would … be a crucial step in ridding the market of both needless and costly regulations ..."

I have no problem with this.

2 posted on 04/29/2008 6:20:11 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: stockpirate
McCain’s health-policy experts provided a ballpark estimate of $7 billion a year for the new federal commitment...

yeah, right


3 posted on 04/29/2008 6:20:45 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: stockpirate
Because you see, profit is evil.

non-profit risk pools

4 posted on 04/29/2008 6:21:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: stockpirate

We’re so screwed....


5 posted on 04/29/2008 6:23:48 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribe, tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park" Watching the Rat Fight. typical white person)
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To: al_c
I have no problem with this

You aren't thinking - anything that costs 7 billion to start is not going to decrease regulation!
Now there will be an entirely new group of people and agencies to administer that and tossing in unlimited federal money is not a free market principle.

It is simply socialism wrapped up in the thorny underbrush of the English language.

6 posted on 04/29/2008 6:24:26 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: bill1952

With the amount of uninsured people, there is not going to be any cheap way around this. It’s gonna cost some bucks. At least until somebody caps medical and pharmacy costs along with tort reform.


7 posted on 04/29/2008 6:27:46 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: stockpirate

I’m sitting back waiting to see who is VP pick is and honestly unless he picks a true Conservative.... I can’t vote for him.


8 posted on 04/29/2008 6:27:56 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: stockpirate
“You don’t have to do it with a mandate – he’s not a mandate guy,”

Oh, really? LOL!

9 posted on 04/29/2008 6:28:25 AM PDT by TADSLOS (John McCain never met a liberal he wasn't eager to apologize to.)
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To: Paige

Don’t count on it. McCain continues to demonstrate that an arrogance that he doesn’t need the Conservative vote.


10 posted on 04/29/2008 6:33:31 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: stockpirate

11 posted on 04/29/2008 6:36:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: stockpirate
McCain moves to middle on health care

There is no middle ground with socialism, it's like being pregnant. Or to mix the metaphors, John McCain will let the camel get it's head in the tent.
12 posted on 04/29/2008 6:38:45 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: al_c

I don’t either. As an insurance agent for 20 plus years, states have had a pool for auto and home insurance. Why not health insurance? If you want to play in the race for health insurance, at least allow ‘uninsurables’ to purchase too. Higher cost, but better than nothing. If you have cancer (as my mom did) and you have insurance through job for lower group rate (as my mom did) and you have to quit your job because of said cancer (as my mom did) and lose Cobra after the reassignment period, you are screwed. Luckily my dad had Champus from retirement in the military, but I don’t know what would have happened if she didn’t and all those who don’t have that option.


13 posted on 04/29/2008 6:40:46 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: al_c

“It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. “The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”

The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern “maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets.” But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. “Market exchange,” says Mises, “is only a sham.”

Mises’s account is confirmed by a remarkable book that appeared in 1939, published by Vanguard Press in New York City (and unfortunately out of print today). It is The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Guenter Reimann, then a 35-year old German writer. Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.

“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”

Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.

“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.”

http://mises.org/story/47


14 posted on 04/29/2008 6:41:20 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: DManA
What does it cost us for the uninsured to be cared for without some type of pool? You who receive insurance through your employers have no clue what it's like for we self insured. In my area of the country it's a case of 20% increases in my premiums every year and I don't have the ability to deduct my horrendous premiums. I don't have a cadillac plan either, I have a $5000.00 deductible. Since it appears impossible to promote tort reform it seems to me McCains approach along with adding tax deductibility for premiums would be helpful to a lot of people and may hold off the implementation of single payer health care.
15 posted on 04/29/2008 6:41:27 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Rational Thought

Fred turned McCain down. The way this looks, I won’t be able to vote for McCain.


16 posted on 04/29/2008 6:42:09 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Paige
I’m sitting back waiting to see who is VP pick is and honestly unless he picks a true Conservative.... I can’t vote for him.

I don't care if he resurrects Ronald Reagan as his VP, I can't vote for him.

- Frogmom, 20 year Arizona resident

17 posted on 04/29/2008 6:43:56 AM PDT by FrogMom
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18 posted on 04/29/2008 6:48:53 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: bill1952

It will probably be rolled into existing medicaid programs before all is said and done, which is really all that can be done to temporarily alleviate the uninsured problem. McCain is simply moving into Hillary territory and taking votes away from her.


19 posted on 04/29/2008 6:51:40 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Paige

So who are you voting for then, Obama or Hillary?


20 posted on 04/29/2008 6:55:08 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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