Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon
I haven’t seen “Expelled” either, only read about it, but I’m also disturbed by the implication of condemning a scientific theory based on its use as justification for atrocities by deranged nonscientists. Take this quote Derbyshire posted at the Corner from a Ben Stein interview with Trinity Broadcasting Network:
“When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.”(http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWRmOTU2YzZlN2RhMzhjNzEwNzQ3MzFiZDE2NjM3NWE=)
I’m sorry to say this, as someone who also used to like reading and watching Ben Stein, but arguing that science is to blame for the Holocaust and should therefore be rejected is completely nutty. Science and the fruits of science can, have and will continue to be misused by evil people, but that doesn’t make the science invalid or scientific inquiry respsonsible for those misuses.
Stein has gone around the bend.
“By their works ye shall know them”
Well, I think it is pretty clear what John Derbyshire is.
The subject is pretty well covered; all I could contribute was to add the Crime/Corruption tag (for the various thefts of copyrighted material).
If anything, he's too gentle. He does provide a good sigline (slightly edited to fit the allowed length).
Nah; the judgments for the various thefts they’ve been caught in will send them (further) into the red.
So you agree with Derbyshire's point that the film is a Blood Libel against one of the foudations (science) of Western Civilization.
(Period, not questionmark; no other conclusion is logically possible.)
I've not seen anyone claim that we are only "arrengements of particles", either. What I have seen, of course, are scientists sticking to what science limits them to: the physical (natural) world.
2. Do you agree with Al Gore?
3. Have you seen Sicko?
2. Do you agree with Michael Moore?
(No dissertations; four YES or NO answers.)
If so many as one out of ten of the people advancing the spurious "duuuuh, he admits he didn't see the movie himself" argument have themselves seen those two movies, I'll eat today's newspaper, including the glossy ad pages.
When something is a pile of crap, a brief description from a few trustworthy sources is sufficient. You don't need to eat an entire apple before knowing that it's rotten.
ROFL!!! People throw up websites for every damn thing these days. That's supposed to indicate that somebody is "rattled" by this nonsense?
There's just no polite way to say this, so I'll say it bluntly:
You are an ignoramus.
Belief in the inherent superiority of one's own tribe/nation/race/whatever has been nearly universal throughout human history. In fact, it's only under the influence of modern Western Enlightenment thought that a portion of humanity has rejected the concept.
Hell, he could have invited Fred Phelps and some homeless guy who sleeps on a heat grate in between rants about the CIA chip in his brain, and it still would have elevated the tone.
"In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us....
--Martin Luther
It's a pity that creationists don't try stunts with semi-naked women. Whatever I think of the former, I am definitely a fan of the latter. ;-)
Oh, puh-leeze. Falling back on "you can't prove that it isn't so"? (Can you prove that George Washington wasn't a space alien? No? Then it must be so!)
You keep saying that, but always attach the stipulation that it can’t be taught in science class in public schools.
It's not just me saying that. That's what the federal courts have ruled. They've even gone further and said it's religion pretending to be science and can't be taught at all.
I don't think it should be taught because it's just a conclusion without evidence. It could be a course held in two hours. But if the kids want to hear it, I'm okay with that.
Court decisions are only as good as the next one, and as I pointed out, states like Ohio among others are going to revisit that...
but we’re in agreement, I don’t even know if two hours is necessary, for all I care, just explain it’s a theory at the first part of class and move on!
Good debating you!
I’ll finish reading the rest of your post to me, but I had to stop right here.
Me: “and every esteemed historian that I’ve read never blamed it on Darwin.”
You: “So you’ve read every “esteemed historian” that ever wrote anything about Hitler? You’re very well read!!”
Why do you have the need to twist what I said? I have not read every esteemed historian’s writings, nor did I claim to. I did get a BA in history in undergraduate studies, so I’ve probably read more than most.
Now, either you can’t understand the plain meaning of my words, or you’re going to be consistently trying to twist them in a deceiptful fashion and then attack a proposition I never made. You are not entitled to make crap up, claim that I said it, and then attack it.
Now I will go finish reading the rest of the post.
Nope, they’re just sick and tired of living amongst Godless socialist communist secularist whiners hell bent to deny God (among other things)...you know, that which doesn’t exist in the first place; that’s all.
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