Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon
So whats going on here with this stupid Expelled movie? No, I havent seen the dang thing. Ive been reading about it steadily for weeks now though, both pro (including the pieces by David Klinghoffer and Dave Berg on National Review Online) and con, and I cant believe it would yield up many surprises on an actual viewing. Its pretty plain that the thing is creationist porn, propaganda for ignorance and obscurantism. How could a guy like this do a thing like that?
I turned over some possibilities, but decisively rejected them all. The first thing that came to mind was Saudi money. Half of the evils and absurdities in our society seem to have a Saudi prince behind them somewhere, and the Wahhabists are, like all fundamentalist Muslims, committed creationists. This doesnt hold water, though. For one thing, Stein is Jewish. For another, he is rich, and doesnt need the money. And for another, the stills and clips I have seen are from a low-budget production. Saudi financing would surely at least have come up with some decent computer graphics. No, Ben Stein is no crook. He must then be foolish; and thats sad, because I now think less of a guy I once admired, and whom my friends admire. Life, its just one darn bubble bursting after another.
To return to the matter of computer graphics for a moment, it seems that the producers of Expelled, rather than go to the trouble and expense of making their own, may have just stolen some. (The creationists have posted a defense here. There will probably be a lawsuit under way, which I shall report back on. Oh, and as I write this, I see a Reuters report that our defenders of faith and morality may have stolen some music too. How many more shoes will drop, I wonder?) It is at any rate clear that they engaged in much deception with the subjects they interviewed for the movie, many of whom are complaining loudly. This, together with much, much else about the movie, can be read about on the Expelled Exposed website put up by the National Center for Science Education, which I urge all interested readers to explore.
These dishonesties do not surprise me. When talking about the creationists to people who dont follow these controversies closely, I have found that the hardest thing to get across is the shifty, low-cunning aspect of the whole modern creationist enterprise. Individual creationists can be very nice people, though they get nicer the further away they are from the full-time core enterprise of modern creationism at the Discovery Institute. The enterprise as a whole, however, really doesnt smell good. You notice this when youre around it a lot. I shall give some more examples in a minute; but what accounts for all this dishonesty and misrepresentation?
My own theory is that the creationists have been morally corrupted by the constant effort of pretending not to be what they are. What they are, as is amply documented, is a pressure group for religious teaching in public schools.
Now, there is nothing wrong with that. We are a nation of pressure groups, and one more would hardly notice. However, since parents who want their kids religiously educated already have plenty of private and parochial schools to choose from (half the kids on my street have attended parochial school), as well as the option of home schooling, now very well organized and supported (and heartily approved of by me: I just wish I knew how they find the time); and since current jurisprudence, how correctly I am not competent to say, regards tax-funded religious instruction as unconstitutional; creationists are a pressure group without hope, if they campaign openly for the thing they want.
Understanding this, the creationists took the morally fatal decision to campaign clandestinely. They overhauled creationism as intelligent design, roped in a handful of eccentric non-Christian cranks keen for a well-funded vehicle to help them push their own flat-earth theories, and set about presenting themselves to the public as alternative science" engaged in a controversy with a closed-minded, reactionary science establishment fearful of new ideas. (Ignoring the fact that without a constant supply of new ideas, there would be nothing for scientists to do.) Nothing to do with religion at all!
I think this willful act of deception has corrupted creationism irredeemably. The old Biblical creationists were, in my opinion, wrong-headed, but they were mostly honest people. The intelligent design crowd lean more in the other direction. Hence the dishonesty and sheer nastiness, even down to plain bad manners, that you keep encountering in ID circles. Its by no means all of them, but its enough to corrupt and poison the creationist enterprise, which might otherwise have added something worthwhile to our national life, if only by way of entertainment value.
This dishonesty showed up very soon after the creationists decided to don the mask of alternative science in the 1990s. A key episode was the Kunming conference of June 1999. In very brief you can read the full story in Forrest and Grosss Creationisms Trojan Horse (A bad book, a very bad book, shuddered the Discovery Institutes Bruce Chapman when he saw it on my desk, like a vampire spotting a clove of garlic), pp.56-66 there is a very interesting bed of extremely old fossils near Kunming, in southern China. Paul Chien, a little-known creationist of Chinese ancestry from San Francisco, acted as a front man for the Discovery Institute to organize a conference in Kunming, bringing in professional paleontologists from China and abroad, but without telling them of the Discovery Institutes involvement. The aim was to produce and then to promote a book containing the conference papers of [creationist] members immediately juxtaposed to those written by respected scientists in the relevant fields. (Forrest & Gross, their italics.) When the real paleontologists found out what was going on, and how they had been brought across China, or around the world, they were not pleased. Embarrassing scenes followed. No book ever appeared.
Examples can be multiplied. The witty and mild-mannered federal Judge Jones, who presided over the 2005 Kitzmiller trial in Dover, Pa., felt moved to note that: The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. The response of the Discovery Institute was to launch sneering, slanderous attacks on the professionalism and competence of Judge Jones (a church-going conservative Republican appointed by President George W. Bush).
So it goes with the stalwart defenders of truth and morality over at the Discovery Institute. So it goes with Ben Stein, apparently, since he has signed up with these mountebanks, for reasons that remain mysterious to me. The misrepresentations in Expelled are far too numerous for me to list here, and the task is unnecessary since others have done it. The aforementioned Expelled Exposed website is a great resource. Biologist P. Z. Myers, in a less organized way, has been pointing up the errors and deceptions in Expelled since the wretched thing hove into view. (Here he links to a whole stack of reviews, including a couple of positives.) Other science-literate bloggers have been weighing in, often very angrily. One of my favorite comments came from Pixy Misa (Andrew Mazels) who correctly called Ben Stein's accusing Darwin of responsibility for the Holocaust a blood libel on science.
I would actually go further than that, to something like a blood libel on Western Civilization. One of the most-quoted remarks by one conservative writer about another was Evelyn Waugh's on Kipling. It bears quoting again.
[Kipling] was a conservative in the sense that he believed civilization to be something laboriously achieved which was only precariously defended. He wanted to see the defences fully manned and he hated the liberals because he thought them gullible and feeble, believing in the easy perfectibility of man and ready to abandon the work of centuries for sentimental qualms.
Western civilization has many glories. There are the legacies of the ancients, in literature and thought. There are the late-medieval cathedrals, those huge miracles of stone, statuary, and spiritual devotion. There is painting, music, the orderly cityscapes of Renaissance Italy, the peaceful, self-governed townships of old New England and the Frontier, the steel marvels of the early industrial revolution, our parliaments and courts of law, our great universities with their spirit of restless inquiry.
And there is science, perhaps the greatest of all our achievements, because nowhere else on earth did it appear. China, India, the Muslim world, all had fine cities and systems of law, architecture and painting, poetry and prose, religion and philosophy. None of them ever accomplished what began in northwest Europe in the later 17th century, though: a scientific revolution. Thoughtful men and women came together in learned societies to compare notes on their observations of the natural world, to test their ideas in experiments, and in reasoned argument against the ideas of others, and to publish their results in learned journals. A body of common knowledge gradually accumulated. Patterns were observed, laws discerned and stated.
If I write with more feeling than usual here it is because I have just shipped off a review to an editor (for another magazine) of Gino Segrès new book about the history of quantum mechanics. Its a good, if not very remarkable, book giving pen-portraits of the great players in physics during the 1920s and 1930s, and of their meetings and disagreements. Segrè, a particle physicist himself, who has been around for a while, knew some of these people personally, and of course heard many anecdotes from their intellectual descendants. It's a warm book, full of feeling for the scientists and their magnificent enterprise, struggling with some of the most difficult problems the human intellect has ever confronted, striving with all their powers to understand what can barely be understood.
Gino Segrès book and, of course, hundreds like it (I have, ahem, dabbled myself) brings to us a feeling for what the scientific endeavor is like, and how painfully its triumphs are won, with what sweat and tears. Our scientific theories are the crowning adornments of our civilization, towering monuments of intellectual effort, built from untold millions of hours of observation, measurement, classification, discussion, and deliberation. This is quite apart from their wonderful utility from the light, heat, and mobility they give us, the drugs and the gadgets and the media. (A thank you wouldnt go amiss.) Simply as intellectual constructs, our well-established scientific theories are awe-inspiring.
And now here is Ben Stein, sneering and scoffing at Darwin, a man who spent decades observing and pondering the natural world that world Stein glimpses through the window of his automobile now and then, when hes not chattering into his cell phone. Stein claims to be doing it in the name of an alternative theory of the origin of species: Yet no such alternative theory has ever been presented, nor is one presented in the movie, nor even hinted at. There is only a gaggle of fools and fraudsters, gaping and pointing like Apaches on seeing their first locomotive: Look! It moves! There must be a ghost inside making it move!
The intelligent design hoax is not merely non-science, nor even merely anti-science; it is anti-civilization. It is an appeal to barbarism, to the sensibilities of those Apaches, made by people who lack the imaginative power to know the horrors of true barbarism. (A thing that cannot be said of Darwin. See Chapter X of Voyage of the Beagle.)
And yes: When our greatest achievements are blamed for our greatest moral failures, that is a blood libel against Western civilization itself. What next, Ben? Johann Sebastian Bach ran a slave-trading enterprise on the side? Kepler started the Thirty Years War? Tolstoy instigated the Kishinev Pogrom? Dante was a bag-man for the Golden Horde? Why not go smash a few windows in Chartres Cathedral, Ben? Break wind in a chamber-music concert? Splash some red paint around in the Uffizi? Which other of our civilizational achievements would you like to sneer at? What else from what Waugh called the work of centuries would you like to abandon for sentimental qualms? You call yourself a conservative? Feugh!
For shame, Ben Stein, for shame. Stand up for your civilization, man! and all its glories. The barbarians are at the gate, as they always have been. Come man the defenses with us, leaving the liars and fools to their lies and folly.
Wow, I finally agree with something that came out of the EU. The position paper you posted is in line with what I and what I think Mr. Derbyshire believes. Though I don’t see creationism/ID as the threat the EU believes it to be.
“You mean like what you and Godless liberals have in common with ObamaNATION of ISLAMs ELITIST VIEWS OF CONSERVATIVES that bitterly cling to God and guns?”
You’ll have to parce that one for me. Are you calling me a liberal? Are you saying because I don’t believe in ID/creationism that I can’t be a con? Are you saying that muslim and christian fundamentalists don’t have common cause over creationism? What? Explain please.
yeah, there are lots of commie hardcore atheists in the EU. Apparently there is a Turkish muslim group pushing ID. There were a few ministers that wanted to include ID in class, but there is no popular support for it. Most european protestants are not as religious as American ones.
Derbyshire does go too far, but I also wondered why Ben got involved with this.
You can see something similar with Ann Coulter. She goes to the extreme, even when she doesn't have to.
Somebody call this twit a ‘Whaaaaa-mbulance”. Good lord.
That's simply inaccurate. If that had been what the film was about, it wouldn't have been entirely about ID.
I've got lots of beefs with our universities and what they teach. This was only about one.
Stein most definitely was attacking Darwin. Blaming him for Nazi Germany is not only ludicrous, but a vicious attack.
Shame on Ben Stein. And shame on his defenders who deny what he's doing.
“Yup....little weasely liberals like Michael Newdow hijacking his own daughter to get God out of the pledge...they hijack government, if they cant do that, its the legal system. Sad little angry people, liberals!”
Didn’t your Momma teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right? Thats the problem. Everyone is either trying to do an endrun around the constitution or they are busy trying to figure ways to get the government to solve their problems with society.
I think FAR more conservatives understand that science isn’t some etched in stone thing defined by a chosen elite few and/or OWNED by liberals in academia. Which is the ENTIRE point of the movie!
Science or scientific method itself isn’t even something scientists agree upon, when ID isn’t even at issue!
UFO’s are often unexplained scientifically, so we’re just to forever reject such phenomona as fairy tales also?
OR should we continuously re-evaluate the data before such sweeping determinations are made for everyone?
How about THEORIES?
I’ve seen “scientists” call each other names or bash another’s work as quackery just because they provided data that may say something THEIR research didn’t conclude!
For instance:
Tomorrow some drug will again be bad...then good, then bad...all because of new data!
So we’re just to FOREVER strike anything ID from science just because....”it’s NOT sciene”, when NO one group or individual can come to a concensus on what exactly science IS in the first place?
NO THANKS! Reminds me too much of Stalin’s Russia!
As I said before, creation doesn’t exclusively belong to science, and science as we understand it now won’t look the way it does 1000 years from now, much like medevel barbers were the scientists of 1000 years ago.
(Unless of course we’re forced to stay stagnant as liberals would have us!)
Besides, it’s theory. S
And shutting it off because of anger at God or the religious isn’t good enough.
Those who are bashing Expelled and Stein, even here on FR,
demonstrate his exact point.
What kind of logic is that??
Steyn can't be criticized because that would only prove his point?
What an enviable position to be in. "Anything anyone says only proves I'm right."
It's like the prophet who predicts that people will criticize him, thus innoculating himself from criticism.
It doesn't work that way among thinking people.
Euroweenies are weak-kneed spineless people that are having their culture overrun by Islamo-fascists (this time around).
GREAT point!
LOTS and LOTS MORE people don’t.
Yeah!
How dare they demand that ID advocates produce some evidence for their theory before they start teaching it in science classes! How dare they deny tenure to someone who fails to back up his assertions with empirical evidence!
I’ll ask a question about Derbyshire that I have been asking about the many media proponents of global warming: to what extent does Derbyshire have scientific knowledge to back up his opinion? Or, is he repeating back what he has heard from others?
Ill ask a question about Ben Stein that I have been asking about the many media proponents of global warming: to what extent does Stein have scientific knowledge to back up his opinion? Or, is he repeating back what he has heard from others?
I’m merely handing you your very own logic back at you!
You made the crack that those who believe God created all we know have such in common with Islamists...and something about “what a crowd to run with...or to have things in common with”.
And yet you’re somehow not aware that you have as much in common with Godless liberals by demanding ID be squashed?
And now the Euroweenies?
Here’s another clue, FAR more Godless liberals are hell bent to keep ID (indeed God in general) not only out of science but public schools, INDEED public all together, than do conservatives!
And still far more conservatives that agree with you, aren’t so insecure as to BAN all they disagree with!
Furthermore, are YOU saying one can only be a “fundamentalist” to accept ID as a scientific theory?
btw...I’ve yet to see a conservative refer to themselves as a “con”...just FWI. ;)
bump
Curiosity raises an interesting point - he says simply that it’s not unreasonable for IDers to provide the proof. OK, what about your fossil records?
Watch the documentary and watch Prof. Dawkins spew his anti-religious bigotry.
Mind you, I don’t care what you believe. I have some atheist friends who I talk “philosophy” with all day long.
Also, There’s no chance whatsoever that Darwin saw an “evolution” of a species after on a few years - I’m talking about the birds on the island (I forgot the name of the island). Biological evolution doesn’t happen over the course of 36-48 months.
Yours truly,
The Woim
“What’s the “Judeo-Christian religion?” I ask this in all sincerity as a practicing Jew. I’ve never heard of such a thing.”
Kaker, you’re Jewish? I thought you were an Athiest?
Careful. "Scientific Theory" means nearly the opposite of how it is used outside of science.
There is no way that ID could be classified as a scientific theory. At best, it's a philosophy about something regarding science.
"It looks pretty fancy, so it must be designed" is not how we reach scientific conclusions.
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