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Destroy Iran's nukes to save our cities
UK Telegraph ^ | April 27 2008 | Alasdair Palmer

Posted on 04/27/2008 5:35:51 AM PDT by knighthawk

One of the most terrifying possibilities the world faces is that al-Qa'eda, or some other Islamist group, gets hold of a nuclear bomb. Islamist terrorists are certainly trying to obtain one: Osama bin Laden has issued a document entitled "The Nuclear Bomb of Islam", which insists it is "the duty" of Muslims to acquire a nuclear bomb in order to use "as much force as possible to terrorise the enemies of God".

The Foreign Office's senior counter-terrorist official has "no doubt at all" that Islamist terrorists are actively seeking a nuclear device. "There are people" he adds dryly, "for whom exploding a nuclear bomb in a city would be a triumph for the cause."

A 10 kiloton nuclear bomb would be a relatively small one by today's standards, but a 10 kiloton explosion in a city would mean that, from the centre of the blast for a distance of one third of a mile, every structure above ground level would be obliterated and every person would be killed instantly.

For the next third of a mile, the city would look like the weird moonscape which Berlin had become by the end of World War Two, after almost a year of Allied bombing raids.

And for a third of mile beyond that circle of hell, buildings and people would burn, both with flames and the effects of radiation.

To consider that outcome is to realise that it must be prevented. But how? Deterrence - the threat that if you detonate a nuclear bomb in our country, we will retaliate in kind on yours - has so far prevented nuclear war between nations. The only time nuclear bombs have been used, it was against a country without the capacity to retaliate.

Deterrence, however, depends on your enemy having cities and a population that can be threatened with obliteration.

The problem is that terrorist organisations have neither. They are simply groups of individuals with no responsibility for, and no control over, a state or its population.

Deterrence breaks down as a consequence. If they could get hold of a nuclear bomb, Islamist terrorists would have every incentive to use it to cause as much destruction as possible in an "enemy" country such as Britain or America - and there's no threat we can brandish to stop them.

Which means that the over-arching aim of the civilised world must be to ensure that they cannot get hold of a nuclear bomb, because that is the only way we can protect ourselves against nuclear terrorism.

The most powerful argument against allowing nuclear proliferation is that the more countries that have the bomb, the more likely it is that one will end up in the hands of terrorists.

Nuclear bombs are still, mercifully, beyond the capacity of terrorist groups to engineer for themselves: a terrorist organisation would have to get one from a government.

When the governments trying to acquire the technology for making nuclear bombs are known to train and supply Islamist terrorist groups - as Syria and Iran, for example, certainly do - the importance of preventing them obtaining the capacity to make such bombs is overwhelming.

That is why the Israelis destroyed Syria's "not for peaceful means" nuclear facility last September, and why the rest of the world acquiesced in the destruction, which broke international law and had no United Nations resolution.

It is also why the US continues to send signals to Iran that it will not oppose, indeed might even join in, any attempt by Israel to hit Iran's fledgling nuclear facilities: sending precisely that signal must have been at least part of the point of last week's very public announcement that the Israeli raid on Syria's putative nuclear bomb factory had been successful.

Governments can perhaps be deterred from leaking nuclear weapons to terrorist groups by the thought of what the Americans would do to them if there were a nuclear explosion in an American city and the construction of the fatal bomb could be traced back to, say, Iran or Syria.

The Americans have not been shy about letting those governments know what would happen. As one US official put it to me: "We would totally obliterate the country responsible" - a phrase echoed by Hillary Clinton when she said the US would "totally obliterate" Iran if that country was responsible for a nuclear attack even on Israel, never mind America.

Governments, however, are not always able to control all their members. Some members of the Iranian administration might not be deterred by the prospect of nuclear armageddon (indeed, some seem to welcome it). Which means that the only way to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists it to keep them out of the hands of national governments who might give them to terrorists.

If Iran builds a nuclear bomb factory, you can be sure that Israel will try to destroy it. You can also be sure that, when it happens, the rest of the world will not object.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elvisbinladen; iran; iraniannukes; islamicterrorism; nucleariran; nukes
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To: elhombrelibre
Deterrence, however, depends on your enemy having cities and a population that can be threatened with obliteration.

The problem is that terrorist organisations have neither. They are simply groups of individuals with no responsibility for, and no control over, a state or its population.

Therein lies another truth; as Tangos have no real recognized Nation status, no real military as defined in the GHC so Tangos have no status of protection under the GHC.

As such Tangos should be "HUNTED" in every sense of the word.

21 posted on 04/27/2008 7:46:29 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs to said?)
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To: dennisw

> Calgary and Alberta would probably want to join the US anyway.

Ummmm... Calgary IS IN Alberta, mate. Just like Houston IS IN Texas.


22 posted on 04/27/2008 7:46:54 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: knighthawk

If the Russian supplied Iranian jihad exporting dictatorship is not removed, coupled with their Russian-supported nuke [weapons] sites (very soon), we shall only have ourselves to blame, when the unthinkable becomes of horrid fact.


24 posted on 04/27/2008 8:07:58 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: dennisw
"You are in Canada. Your opinion is irrelevant. Since you have no military to speak of we should invade you and take some of your oil wells.

Calgary and Alberta would probably want to join the US anyway. Saskatchewan too. The Chinese can have British Columbia and the wise guys and Muslim lovers and socialists can have Ontario."

Since you display an alarming ignorance of or a hatred toward Canada, and since you have such a know-it-all attitude, you can have Quebec.

25 posted on 04/27/2008 8:12:36 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: SandRat
My hunting license is good, and I've got soft-point bullets too for my prey. I'm just not sure my taxidermist will be willing to do a full-body mount of bin Laden.
26 posted on 04/27/2008 8:22:39 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (If you share Wright's pews, you share his views.)
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To: Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; hiredhand; Lurker; ExSoldier; Jeff Head; SLB

Lets see air bases in Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, UAE, Afghanistan , Diego Garcia and oh yeah......Iraq. Not too mention a few places we won’t discuss here. Now add the carrier task forces and conventional subs that can be on station in hours. Turn off Iran with carbon fiber and jamming, set loose the in country free Iranian forces to produce an orchestrated level of mayhem and disruption that country hasn’t seen since the Shah left. Relocate Iraqi patriots away from the border. Inform Iranians with leaflets and forced communications into Irans communities along the border with Iraq to leave in 24 hours or die. Then turn the mile on either side into a DMZ with air dropped mines, cluster bombs , other munitions and sensors . Monitored by UCAV’s and 6 man LP/OP’s with on call air........

Or we can just shoot Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a 1 dollar bullet on a Tuesday and be done with it.


27 posted on 04/27/2008 8:24:44 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: Ilya Mourometz
>> Attacking a person who is threatening someone else with death is not a preemptive attack. <<

You are correct, although the burden of proof lies with the attacker to justify his actions. As another poster has written, Iran's actions with respect to covert and overt attacks on others is becoming increasingly brazen.

Indeed, based on a news report of just the last few days about Iranian munitions being found in Basra with very recent date markings it appears to me that Iran is begging for the US to attack it. Recall that the Iranian President, I'mInAMoodForJihad says that he intends to bring about the return of the "12th Imam", his Messiah who can only come after sufficient chaos has erupted on earth.

Well, it appears the Iranians think they should help as much as possible to foment that chaos. Such people are beyond irrational. Their rational calculus can only be addressed by destroying their ability to disrupt the rest of society. We must act first and soon, or risk paying a far higher price later. I fear that the West doesn't have the character to face these facts.
28 posted on 04/27/2008 8:26:59 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: dennisw

Time for this.

Warning: Profanity

THE END OF THE WORLD

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end


29 posted on 04/27/2008 8:41:04 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: knighthawk

They have Mecca. They need know we would obliterate it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZzUSiFIIg8


30 posted on 04/27/2008 8:44:46 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Squantos

“Or we can just shoot Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a 1 dollar bullet on a Tuesday and be done with it.”

Oh, thanks. Now we have pick a different day of the week.

Some people just say tooooo much.

: )


31 posted on 04/27/2008 8:46:16 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: knighthawk

What we need to do is declare that if “ANY” US city or interest is nuked then we nuke Mecca and Medina.
That should make any Islamics stop their own kind from any attack.


33 posted on 04/27/2008 8:49:20 AM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL........I know ....I know......:o)


34 posted on 04/27/2008 9:02:43 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: knighthawk

We have been living under threat of global thermonuclear obliteration for 50 years. Some crazy threat to obliterate a theater district somewhere isn’t making the grade.


35 posted on 04/27/2008 9:05:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: knighthawk

Alot of the Brit and euro comments are disturbing. They seem like enemies more than allies.


36 posted on 04/27/2008 9:13:06 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: ellum

Hey look you are newly signed up anti-US troll.


37 posted on 04/27/2008 9:15:37 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: ellum
already posted by holmantx
38 posted on 04/27/2008 9:18:37 AM PDT by glock rocks ( Woof.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

:). Reminds me a little of Texas as a matter of fact. West Texas.


39 posted on 04/27/2008 9:24:48 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Calgary reminded me of El Paso for some odd reason. Dry climate frontier towns just east of the the nothern and southern tips of the rocky mountain range. Your foothills are a little more impressive than ours.


40 posted on 04/27/2008 9:28:19 AM PDT by kinghorse
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