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Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes
KCStar Prime Buzz ^ | 4-26-08

Posted on 04/26/2008 5:34:17 PM PDT by deport

Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes

Convening its national convention in Kansas City today, the Constitution Party picked radio talk-show host Chuck Baldwin over former Ambassador Alan Keyes as its 2008 presidential candidate.

The pick was seen as something of an upset, given Keyes' higher national profile. Known for his fiery stem-winders, Keyes is a two-time GOP presidential candidate who abandoned the Republican Party this month to join the Constitution Party, which believes in limited government and is committed to ending abortion and bringing American troops home from Iraq.

But Baldwin's roots in the Constitution Party run deeper. He was the party's 2004 vice-presidential candidate, and party members said his stands were more in line with party thinking.

"Chuck is the real deal," said Jim Clymer, the party's national chairman.

Still, the two waged a fierce battle described as the most contentious in the party's 16-year history. Baldwin wound up winning easily on a 384-126 vote. The Missouri and Kansas delegations basically split their votes between the two.

"They just rejected the most qualified man to be president," said Tom Hoefling of Lohrville, Iowa, Keyes' national political director. "Chuck Baldwin will have no impact on this election whatsoever."

The party's immediate tasks, Clymer said, are raising money and gaining ballot access in each state. The party now has qualified to be on the ballots of 21 states. He expects the eventual total to top 40 and include Kansas and Missouri.

"We're always short on money," Clymer said.

In his acceptance speech, Baldwin said his presidency would result in the ending of illegal immigration, abortion, the streamlining of the federal government, the tapping of oil reserves in Alaska and withdrawal from Iraq.

"We will stop the international meddling...this international empire-building," Baldwin said.

When he takes office, Baldwin said, "The new world order comes crashing down!"

He pledged not only to pull out of the United Nations, but to push the international organization out of New York.

"The U.N. is going to have to find themselves another (home) because their rent is up in New York City," he said.

He said he would phase out the Internal Revenue Service and end the paying of personal income taxes. He said the country should return to the gold standard.

Home schoolers, he said, would have the best friend they ever had in the White House.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; chuckbaldwin; constitutionparty; keyes; talkradio; thirdparty
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To: mnehrling

Too bad, this is the Constitution Party’s continual slip into obscurity.


I pretty much thought obscurity was were they were all the time. They can’t get more than 1/2% or so in a national election so I don’t see them as ever being a contender.


141 posted on 04/28/2008 7:51:13 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: deport
I should clarify, obscurity among Conservatives. They used to have more respect here (back when they were more like their origin, the US Taxpayer's Party.) Around 04 they started moving away from traditional Conservative, Constitutional principles and started twisting the Constitution to their own theocratic view. They are even too out there for Buchanan, that is out there.
142 posted on 04/28/2008 7:55:21 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
I should clarify, obscurity among Conservatives. They used to have more respect here (back when they were more like their origin, the US Taxpayer's Party.) Around 04 they started moving away from traditional Conservative, Constitutional principles and started twisting the Constitution to their own theocratic view. They are even too out there for Buchanan, that is out there.

Actually, they were already "theocratic" when they were the "Taxpayers Party." They've always been a "palaeo," Birchite/reconstructionist front.

143 posted on 04/28/2008 8:01:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Qedoshim tiheyu; ki qadosh 'Ani HaShem 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

To me, it just seems a lot worse lately. Just the other week, they issued a complaint about a pastor who said a prayer to congress because he ended the prayer ‘In God’s Holy Name’ instead of ‘In Jesus’ Name’.. they tried to make a big issue out of it.. talk about twisted...


144 posted on 04/28/2008 8:06:02 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

With the make up of the national electorate it is almost impossible for a small segment to be a major factor. They may can do so on a local level but it almost necessitates a large party crossing the spectrum of views to get someone elected on a state or national level today. The Libertarian Party does try and place a candidate in many of the slots at the local/state level and once in a while does get someone elected.

Money money money........


145 posted on 04/28/2008 8:11:59 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: mnehrling
To me, it just seems a lot worse lately. Just the other week, they issued a complaint about a pastor who said a prayer to congress because he ended the prayer ‘In God’s Holy Name’ instead of ‘In Jesus’ Name’.. they tried to make a big issue out of it.. talk about twisted...

I'm convinced it's a form of "identity." They believe the Constitution is holy writ and probably that the thirteen original colonies were the "tribes of Israel," and act as if they thought Thomas Jefferson was a "born-again chr*stian." Of course, this is hard to believe (Jefferson's heterodoxy is well-known), so maybe they're just dishonest.

The ultimate doctrine of "palaeoconservatism" is henotheism--a separate "gxd" and a separate "truth" for each nation, with no overarching objective Truth of any kind (that would be "one world government!"). Therefore America is made into a special, holy country with a unique covenant with the (American) "gxd." Of course, this is far from unusual. The "palaeo" Right in all countries do this with their particular heritage.

This is why "reconstructionists" reject a literal earthly messianic kingdom ruled from Jerusalem. To them America is the kingdom of J*sus and ruled by him from Heaven. Besides, any messiah who rules from Jerusalem would be a foreigner!).

Alan actually addressed this henotheistic tendency of the palaeo right in his remarks to his supporters after losing the nomination.

146 posted on 04/28/2008 8:53:19 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Qedoshim tiheyu; ki qadosh 'Ani HaShem 'Eloqeykhem.)
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To: antisocial

“it’s soooo statesmanlike to call for reparations for slavery”

From what I heard it was an answer to a question a reporter asked.

I have NOT been able to find the question!

Alan simply quoted a roman policy where, after taking a city, they disallow payment of taxes by the citizens of that city — ‘for a generation or two.’

It was an idea that had some legal legs.

Obviously — for various reasons — the analogy does not hold.

Alan also understands that it would not be practical.

But as a schooler — he was considering it in the abstract.

However, Alan HAS unequivocally stated that, when he is elected President, he would abolish the income tax — for ALL Americans.

I presume you would support that idea, Right?

Abolishing the income tax is One of Alan’s top most priorities; Second only to restoring the constitutional rights of the unborn.

http://www.alankeyes.com/priorities.php

Thank you for your post.

STE=Q


147 posted on 04/28/2008 10:57:58 AM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: antisocial
Bush got by with it by unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty of ‘72.

Are you saying that was a constitutional no no? If so why wasn’t he impeached?

The ABM treaty was signed with the Soviet Union, which no longer existed.

148 posted on 04/28/2008 11:02:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Party" is not the plumbline. "Principle" is...)
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To: STE=Q

TYPO: schooler = scholar


149 posted on 04/28/2008 11:05:04 AM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: antisocial; EternalVigilance
Unilaterally throwing out the UN would breach our nation's treaty obligations, which, under our Constitution, are “the supreme law of the land.” You would therefore be a lawbreaker and violator of your sacred oath of office.”

Bush got by with it by unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty of ‘72.

EV is exactly correct. There is a Constitutionally prescribed method to leave treaties, you can't just dump a treaty as the Constitution prescribes any agreed to treaties as high law. To leave a treaty, like changing any law, requires it passing the House, Senate, and being signed by the President. Just trashing a treaty would generally fall under unified executive theory and, in theory, is what the Constitution Party opposes. President Bush was not in the wrong, however with leaving the ABM treaty because those whom we signed the treaty with, no longer exists (Soviet Union) and thus, it was no longer valid anyway.

150 posted on 04/28/2008 11:24:51 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Reaganesque
And Mr. Keyes’ losing streak remains intact. I’ll say this for him, he’s consistent. Well done, EV! Another triumph!

Just imagine what Alan Keyes could do if he really gave a damn about something other than being adored by his little band of sycophants, getting his name in the paper every 4 years and enjoying spending the campaign donations sent to him by people easily parted from the their money and their senses.

He is smart and he is a gifted speaker, if he wanted to make a difference he really could. But he is too selfish.

Sad.
151 posted on 04/28/2008 1:46:30 PM PDT by elizabetty (Voting for John McCain is like deciding to cut off your leg because you are trapped.)
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To: elizabetty

Why do you have no conscience about propagating lies?


152 posted on 04/28/2008 2:31:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Party" is not the plumbline. "Principle" is...)
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To: floriduh voter

Adding info to the thread...........

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2008328/posts?
Alan Keyes on short list as John McCain VP


153 posted on 04/28/2008 3:50:02 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Interesting Times; The Shrew

It does have a familiar ring to it.


154 posted on 04/28/2008 4:48:23 PM PDT by Skeet (...but can you dance to it?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Alan Keyes on McCain’s VP short list is one thing I like about McCain. It may be the only thing at this point. McCain cannot stand free speech and will he ever see the error of his ways?


155 posted on 04/28/2008 7:01:14 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: deport

156 posted on 04/28/2008 8:09:44 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: EternalVigilance
Why do you have no conscience about propagating lies?

Okay, maybe he really isn't smart and gifted. Surely you know that by wasting a good part of your adult life supporting him.
157 posted on 04/28/2008 8:16:49 PM PDT by elizabetty (Voting for John McCain is like deciding to cut off your leg because you are trapped.)
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To: floriduh voter
Alan Keyes on McCain’s VP short list is one thing I like about McCain.

You have taken leave of your senses if you believe that.
158 posted on 04/28/2008 8:18:27 PM PDT by elizabetty (Voting for John McCain is like deciding to cut off your leg because you are trapped.)
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To: elizabetty

Ambassador Keyes has helped a lot of folks. What have you done lately besides insulting him?


159 posted on 04/28/2008 8:40:04 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: elizabetty

I don’t regret one minute helping him. Unlike yourself, he is an honorable individual.


160 posted on 04/28/2008 11:17:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Party" is not the plumbline. "Principle" is...)
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