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Meet Mr. and Mrs. William Ayers
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Posted on 04/25/2008 6:15:28 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Meet Mr. and Mrs. William Ayers

Joseph Farah

Posted: April 25, 2008

Does Barack Obama have some explaining to do about accepting money from two unrepentant, homegrown, communist revolutionary terrorists who bombed the Capitol, the Pentagon, police stations and banks in the 1970s?

Yes, I think he does. But there's a much bigger question raised by Obama's relationship with Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers, ringleaders of the Weather Underground organization. The question is: Why is a couple like this is not only accepted in liberal Democratic Party circles and the academic world, but embraced with open arms – in fact, rewarded for their self-declared armed struggle against America, a war they still defend adamantly to this day?

That is a question that, if answered, would explain the way the Democratic Party today is a covert tool of political manipulation whose core agenda is to transform America into the kind of "socialist workers' paradise" envisioned by these one-time violent revolutionaries who were forced to change tactics but not their goals.

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To: CitizenM

“...Like the Mojave desert area with Death Valley.”

I was thinking the artillary testing grounds in Yuma, AZ would be a better place to put these people.


21 posted on 04/26/2008 2:28:14 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Constitutional Patriot
I don’t believe Obama, if nominated, will win. My greater concern w/ this political cycle is the number of people in this country who are so ignorant (or are otherwise America hating leftists) that they could support a marxist like Obama. This phenomena has accelerated at an exponential pace since the Clintons were in the White House.

Excellent point. The 'useful idiot' syndrome only seems to get worse as time goes on. I'd say about 90% of Obama's support comes from the absolutely clueless portion of our society--the type of people Sean Hannity typically questions in his Thursdays "person on the street" radio interviews .

22 posted on 04/26/2008 3:59:57 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Eye On The Left
Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn have successfully infiltrated and are exercising a lot of influence. Ayers teaches teachers of social studies how to turn little kids into activists. Conservatives have GOT to counter their influence. We need to take over departments of education at major universities and teach teachers, in every discipline, why traditional values and our heritage are the highest expression of Western civilization, and also why kids should be allowed to be kids.

Turning kids into young radicals just makes them psychotic, because it over burdens them with the cares of the world, fear of the future, and so on.

Imagine how smug and accomplished Ayers and Dohrn will feel when they help put a comrade in the White House for a second time.

23 posted on 04/26/2008 5:20:08 AM PDT by TPartyType
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Why are vermin like Ayers and Dohrn and Hillary's terrorists actually treated with reverence and, at least to a degree, as heroes. They teach. They have all the money they need. They write books that are published and get reviewed in the New York Times. They launch political careers. In other words, they prosper from their crimes rather than pay for them.

That's the real lesson of the William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn story. Barack Obama is simply a sideshow. The fact that he isn't required to answer for that relationship is an illustration of how much violent, left-wing, infantile, socialist anti-Americanism is accepted within the Democratic Party, academia, the establishment news media and other key cultural institutions.

The more I watch this election, the more I think Obama is being propped up as an "idiot tool" of the real power brokers of the hard Marxist left.

The real enemies of this country can't accomplish what they want if the Clinton crime machine gets in office because the Clinton's greases it wheels on sleaze, payola and power, not on ideology like the hard left.

24 posted on 04/26/2008 5:53:02 AM PDT by Popman (Typical bitter white male clinging to my religion and guns......................)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Wake up Democrats; while you were standing in your livingroom; they came and changed the rug, underneath your feet; and you seem not to have noticed.

You only think you belong in the 'Democrat Party'!

THAT'S why; people like Ayers and Dorn; and Obama and Michelle; Hillary, Nancy et al; and , of course, the ever so, Reverend, Wright are claimants to today's MARXIST Demrat heiarchy. . .aka; todays, Democrat Party.

Be it Noan Chomsky; Saul Alynski; 'original Marx'; or Marxist Liberation Theology wearing Jesus shirt; they are all the same 'donkey' today.

25 posted on 04/26/2008 6:24:42 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Wake up Democrats; while you were standing in your livingroom; they came and changed the rug, underneath your feet; and you seem not to have noticed.

You only think you belong in the 'Democrat Party'!

THAT'S why; people like Ayers and Dorn; and Obama and Michelle; Hillary, Nancy et al; and , of course, the ever so, Reverend, Wright are claimants to today's MARXIST Demrat heiarchy. . .aka; todays, Democrat Party.

Be it Noan Chomsky; Saul Alynski; 'original Marx'; or Marxist Liberation Theology wearing Jesus shirt; they are all the same 'donkey' today.

26 posted on 04/26/2008 6:24:43 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: alarm rider

They should be part of the nitrogen cycle, IMO.


27 posted on 04/26/2008 6:44:48 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neither was Ayers, although his then girlfriend, Diana Oughton, was. The bombs [with 10 penny nails as part of the shrapnel] were intended for a dance at Ft. Dix, New Jersey.


28 posted on 04/26/2008 6:47:46 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SunkenCiv; Jeff Head; Cicero

29 posted on 04/26/2008 7:07:33 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: cricket; Poetgal26; Free ThinkerNY; Tunehead54; SpaceBar; F15Eagle; SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; ...
Wake up Democrats...people like Ayers and Dorn; and Obama and Michelle; Hillary, Nancy et al; and , of course, the ever so, Reverend, Wright are claimants to today's MARXIST Demrat heiarchy...aka; todays, Democrat Party. Be it Noam Chomsky; Saul Alinski; 'original Marx'; or Marxist Liberation Theology [or its variant Black Liberation Theology-eyeontheleft] ...wearing Jesus shirt; they are all the same 'donkey' today

aka, the same jackasses! Great comments everyone! We must continue informing our friends, relatives and fellow citizens who these treasonous scum really are! Nice work all!

"THERE IS ONLY THE FIGHT..."
An Analysis of the Alinsky Model

A thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Bachelor of Arts degree under the Special Honors Program, Wellesley College, Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Hillary D. Rodham
Political Science
2 May, 1969

[from page 10...]

"Alinsky outlines American history focusing on men he would call 'radical,' confronting his readers again with the 'unique' way Americans have synthesized the alien roots of radicalism, Marxism, Utopian socialism, syndicalism, the French Revolution, with their own conditions and experiences:

Where are the American Radicals? They were with Patrick Henry in the Virginia Hall of Burgesses; they were with Sam Adams in Boston; they were with that peer of all American Radicals, Tom Paine, from the distribution of Common Sense through those dark days of the American Revolution...

The American Radicals were in the colonies grimly forcing the addition of the Bill of Rights to our Constitution. They stood at the side of Tom Jefferson in the first big battle between the Tories of Hamilton and the American people. They founded and fought in the LocoFocos. They were in the first union strike in America and they fought for the distribution of the western lands to the masses of people instead of the few...They were in the shadows of the underground railroad and they openly rode in the sunlight with John Brown to Harpers Ferry...They were with Horace Mann fighting for the extension of educational opportunities...They built the American Labor movement...

Many of their deeds are not and never will be recorded in America's history. They were among the grimy men in the dust bowl, they sweated with the share croppers. They were at the side of the Okies facing the California vigilantes. They stood and stand before the fury of lynching mobs. They were and are on the picket lines gazing unflinchingly at the threatening, flushed, angry faces of the police.

American Radicals are to be found wherever and whenever America moves closer to the fulfillment of its democratic dream. Whenever America's hearts are breaking, these American Radicals were and are. America was begun by its Radicals. The hope and future of America lies with its Radicals.9

Words such as these coupled with his compelling personality enabled Alinsky to hold a sidewalk seminar during the 1968 Democratic Party Convention in Chicago. He socratically gathered around him a group of young demonstrators on the corner of Michigan and Bilbo on Monday night telling them that they were another generation of American Radicals.10"

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Hillary Clinton’s Wellesley Thesis:

pdf file:
http://www.gopublius.com/HCT/HillaryClintonThesis.pdf

photo copied original:
http://www.gopublius.com/HCT/HillaryClintonThesis.html

Source for both:
http://gopublius.com/hillary-clintons-wellesley-thesis-page/

CBS News article:
Hillary Rodham's 1969 Commencement Address
The Speech That Got Her First Media Coverage:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/03/politics/main3448588.shtml

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Hillary and the Black Panthers: The Real Story
Richard Poe
Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003

I can't take it anymore. If one more person sends me that e-mail about Hillary and the Black Panthers, I'll have to be dragged away screaming in a straitjacket.

You know the e-mail I'm talking about. It accuses Hillary of helping the Black Panthers get away with torture and murder during the early 1970s. With the 2004 presidential race drawing near, the spam mills are creaking to life, flooding the Internet once more with this agitprop classic.

Unfortunately, the e-mail mingles good information with bad, sowing more confusion than enlightenment. Some versions, for instance, carry the byline of radio talk jock Paul Harvey, who says he did not write it. Such misrepresentations help Hillary defenders dismiss the e-mail as a hoax.

The story is no hoax, though. Its basic elements can be found in respected Hillary biographies and exposes such as Barbara Olson's "Hell to Pay," David Brock's "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham," Joyce Milton's "The First Partner" and Carl Limbacher's "Hillary's Scheme."

Here are the facts:

In May 1969, fishermen discovered the body of Black Panther Alex Rackley floating in Connecticut's Coginchaug River. Rackley's captors had clubbed him, burned him with cigarettes, scalded him with boiling water and stabbed him with an ice pick before finally shooting him in the head.

New Haven detectives learned that the Panthers suspected Rackley of being a police informer. Panther enforcers had tied him to a chair and tortured him for hours. Police arrested eight Panthers and later extradited Panther leader Bobby Seale from California, after a witness accused Seale of ordering Rackley's death. (1)

Campus radicals supported the Panthers. They organized mass protests in support of the so-called "New Haven Nine." Hillary was right in the thick of it.

By the time she entered Yale Law School in 1969, Hillary was already a radical celebrity on campus. Life magazine had featured Hillary in a piece titled, "The Class of '69," which showcased three student activists whom Life's editors deemed the best and brightest of the year. A line Hillary used in her Wellesley College commencement speech appeared under her photo: "Protest is an attempt to forge an identity." (2)

At Yale, Hillary helped edit the Yale Review of Law and Social Action – a left-wing journal which promoted cop-killing and featured cartoons of pig-faced police. (3)

A series of hard-Left mentors introduced Hillary to the brass-knuckle realities of revolutionary activism. As a Wellesley undergraduate, she met and interviewed radical organizer Saul Alinsky, whose Machiavellian tactics she admired. Hillary's senior thesis supported Alinsky's call for class warfare. (4)

At Yale, Hillary found a new Svengali in the form of left-wing law professor Thomas Emerson, known around campus as "Tommy the Commie." Emerson recruited Hillary and other students to help monitor the trial of the New Haven Nine for civil rights violations. Hillary took charge of the operation, scheduling the students in shifts, so that student monitors would always be present in the courtroom. She befriended and worked closely with Panther lawyer Charles Garry. (5)

Some believe that the enormous pressure exerted by the Left helped ensure light sentences for the New Haven Nine. Whether or not this is true, the punishments were mild.

"Only one of the killers was still in prison in 1977," reports John McCaslin in the Washington Times. "The gunman, Warren Kimbro, got a Harvard scholarship and became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College. Ericka Huggins, who boiled the water for Mr. Rackley's torture, got elected to a California school board." (6)

Hillary's defenders argue that she played no "significant" role in the New Haven Nine's defense. This is semantic hairsplitting. Obviously, Hillary was less "significant" than Charles Garry or "Tommy the Commie" Emerson. But Hillary served as a trusted lieutenant to these movers and shakers. Moreover, she had a national profile as a campus activist. Hillary was no rank-and-file student protester, as her apologists claim.

Indeed, Hillary's work for the Panthers won her a summer internship at the Berkeley office of attorney Robert Treuhaft in 1972. A hardline Stalinist, Treuhaft had quit the Communist Party in 1958 only because it was losing members and no longer provided a good platform for his activism. (7) "Treuhaft is a man who dedicated his entire legal career to advancing the agenda of the Soviet Communist Party and the KGB," notes historian Stephen Schwartz. (8)

The defense of the New Haven Nine marked Hillary's initiation into the sinister underworld of the hard-core, revolutionary Left. To my knowledge, Hillary has never publicly renounced nor apologized for her role in that movement.

Richard Poe is a New York Times best-selling author and cyberjournalist. For more information on Poe and his writings, visit his Web site, RichardPoe.com. He may be reached at richardpoe@....

References
1. Joyce Milton, The First Partner: Hillary Rodham Clinton. William, Morrow and Company, Inc., New York, 1999, p. 35. Barbara Olson, Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C., 1999, p. 55.
2. Milton, 1999, p. 34; Olson, 1999, pp. 40-45.
3. Olson, 1999, p. 59-61; Evan Gahr, "Hillary and the Cop-Bashers: Will the Real Ms. Rodham Please Stand Up?" JewishWorldReview.com, June 20, 2000.
4. David Brock, The Seduction of Hillary Rodham. The Free Press, New York, 1996, pp. 14-17; Olson, 1999, pp. 46, 48, 50.
5. Milton, 1999, p. 17; Brock, 1996, pp. 31-32; Olson, 1999, p. 54-56.
6. John McCaslin, "Hillary for the Defense." Inside the Beltway, The Washington Times, June 12, 1998, p. A9.
7. Olson, 1999, pp. 56-57.
8. Brock, 1996, p. 33.

http://www.legaled.com/hillaryatyale.htm

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From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
Article: "REVOLUTIONARY HEROS"

excerpt...

"On May 1st, May Day, the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Article: "REVOLUTIONARY HEROS"
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

Clinton's sympathy for Marxist terrorists
September 27, 1999
©2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Between 1974 and 1985 the FALN (Puerto Rican Armed Forces of National Liberation) organized 120 terrorist bombings in the United States. Many Americans were killed in those bombings, and many more were crippled. In 1983, another Puerto Rican terrorist group known as the Macheteros, attacked and robbed a Wells Fargo armored car in Connecticut. The Macheteros intended to use the money to finance a terrorist campaign against the United States. Working under the cover of Puerto Rican nationalism and claiming to act on behalf of the "oppressed people of Puerto Rico," the FALN and the Macheteros are nothing but Communist revolutionaries. Both groups were organized by Fidel Castro's secret police. The ultimate goal of the FALN and the Macheteros is the creation of an independent Marxist-Leninist dictatorship on the island of Puerto Rico.

While Timothy McVeigh awaits execution and has no chance of receiving a pardon for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing, President Clinton has seen fit to pardon 11 FALN terrorists and five Macheteros who have been serving prison sentences in the United States. Some people are wondering why Clinton did this. It was not a popular move. What pressing political reason did Clinton have for releasing 16 Communist terrorists and revolutionaries from jail?

If we look back to the Vietnam War, we find that Clinton gave active support to the Viet Cong -- who were also terrorists. Clinton also gave his support to the Marxist-Leninist dictatorship of Ho Chi Minh. Writing to ROTC Director Eugene Holmes in December 1969, Clinton admitted to working for a Communist front organization, the Vietnam Moratorium. Clinton acknowledged, "One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize Americans for the demonstrations of Oct. 15 and Nov. 16."

Clinton is a smart man, and he certainly was perceptive enough to realize who he was working for.

The Vietnam Moratorium was first conceived at a meeting in Stockholm in May 1969. The meeting was sponsored by the Soviet-controlled World Peace Council through the auspices of the National Committee to End the War in Vietnam, also known as the Student Mobilization Committee -- or MOBE. According to a secret FBI memo issued in October 1969, "Communists are playing dominant roles in ... the Student Mobilization Committee." Present at the Stockholm meeting was the Viet Cong leader Nguyen Thi Binh. Also present was a North Vietnamese Communist official, Nguyen Minh Vy. As it happens, the work of MOBE was praised by Leonid Brezhnev and Aleksei Kosygin.

In July 1969 MOBE was reorganized by veteran Communist Party member Sidney Peck and a group of activists from the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), a Marxist think tank from which President Clinton has made several key appointments. IPS was founded by Richard Barnet and Marcus Raskin in 1963. Most of the money they used came from the Samuel Rubin Foundation. According to Dr. Rael Jean Isaac, Rubin was a Comintern member and a Communist agent.

The founders of IPS, Barnet and Raskin, dedicated themselves to helping Communist revolutionaries. Both men hated the United States and openly supported the Communist cause during the Vietnam War. In the mid 1980s Barnet visited Communist Nicaragua, staying at the home of Thomas Borge, chief of Nicaragua's secret police.

Now declassified, FBI File 100-447935-119 makes special mention of the Institute for Policy Studies, stating that "this group played an insidious and influential role in developing strategy and tactics for all phases of subversion, seditious activity, racial conflict and revolutionary political agitation and violence. ..."

Should we be shocked to discover that President Clinton has appointed outright Marxist subversives from the IPS to key government jobs? An IPS leader and an outspoken Marxist, Derek Shearer, was appointed as one of Clinton's top economic advisors, and was later appointed U.S.

Ambassador to Finland. IPS leader Morton Halperin, a supporter of the notorious KGB agent and CIA turncoat Philip Agee, is now a leading official in the State Department. Anthony Lake, Clinton's one-time National Security Advisor, was once an IPS instructor.

Given these appointments, President Clinton's clemency for Puerto Rican Communist revolutionaries shouldn't surprise anyone. According to a recent article by J. Michael Waller in Insight magazine, the White House has been secretly pushing to get a U.S. entry visa for Castro's terrorism chief, Fernando Garcia Bielsa. Waller explains that Bielsa, a high ranking Cuban official, is charged with overseeing the terrorist activities of the FALN and the Macheteros.

According to provisions of the 1996 Anti-Terrorism Act, entry into the United States is to be denied to any person who is a representative or member of a designated terrorist organization. Cuba has long been classified by the U.S. State Department as a sponsor of international terrorism. Intelligence sources also indicate that Mr. Bielsa personally oversaw funding and support for the Macheteros. Logically, he cannot be allowed into the United States. Nevertheless, the White House wants Fernando Garcia Bielsa to come to Washington. Once established at the Cuban mission in Washington, Bielsa would be in an excellent position to direct the terrorist groups he is charged by Castro with supervising. Given the release by Clinton of 16 members of his terrorist following from U.S. prison, Bielsa's striking power has increased. Ominously, the stage may soon be set for a new Communist-sponsored terrorist campaign.

It should be noted that Communist Cuba was given a very special role by the Soviet General Staff in the event of World War III. That mission involved Cuba's biological and chemical warfare capability. According to intelligence sources, Cuba has two main biological and chemical facilities -- which are ideal for supplying terrorists. One is at Jardin de Orquilles, close to the town of Soroa; and the other is located at Kimonor, in the province of Matanzas. Kimonor is also home to a special army school staffed by Russian instructors. According to the Russians, if toxic weapons were used at strategic locations along the Mississippi River, a third of the United States could be contaminated.

Some observers have suggested that Clinton's clemency of the Puerto Rican terrorists was timed to help Hillary Clinton win Puerto Rican votes in New York. But that is unlikely, because Puerto Ricans are not pro-Communist or pro-terrorist by nature. As a matter of fact, the "oppressed people of Puerto Rico" love their commonwealth status within the U.S. As it happens, Puerto Rican residents do not pay federal taxes. They enjoy all the rights of American citizenship except that of voting in national elections. The local government of Puerto Rico is, in fact, democratically elected. In elections the Puerto Rican Independence Party rarely draws more than four percent of the vote. The New Progressive Party, which wants to make Puerto Rico the 51st U.S. state, draws about 48 percent and the Commonwealth Popular Democratic Party -- which favors continued Commonwealth status -- also draws about 48 percent. ,p> While the U.S. media was happy to describe the released terrorists as Puerto Rican nationalists, the truth is very different. Rather than serving the cause of the Puerto Rican people, these terrorists are agents of a hostile foreign power. True to form, the Clinton White House continues to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.

J.R. Nyquist, a WorldNetDaily contributing editor and a renowned expert in geopolitics and international relations, is the author of "Origins of the Fourth World War." Visit his news-analysis and opinion site, JRNyquist.com.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19760

30 posted on 04/26/2008 7:11:01 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Why is a couple like this is not only accepted in liberal Democratic Party circles and the academic world, but embraced with open arms – in fact, rewarded for their self-declared armed struggle against America, a war they still defend adamantly to this day?

Simply and directly put, because they are all the enemies of all that we hold dear in this nation and all that has made us the great nation that we are. That's why.

Individual liberty, unalienable rights endowed by God, the fundamental republican and moral principles this nation was founded upon, virtue, honor, trust, and everything that has come together to create and maintain the freest, most giving, most principled, most prosperous, and most powerful nation in the history of the earth and one that has been and still is the beacon of hope to all mankind.

These people are against all of that and have devoted their lives to fundamentally changing and biring it all down in favor of a collectivist, socio-marxist, compulsive, and tyranical system where they are in control and the individual American is nothing more than a pawn and chatel for their own ideological fantasies.

Their ideology and goals are one that history has proven to be abject failures and whooly genocidal, and which ought to be, as Ronald Reagan indicated, relegated to the trach heap of history.

But they haven't gone away and now they have a particular candidate, and at least one more, who represent the pinnacle of their political, indoctrination, and propoganda achievements in this nation, lined up to be nominated for the Democratic candidate for President.

To the extent that they have been successful in education, in business, and particularly in our electoral process (and they have, tragically, been successful in all of these areas) all of those earlier qualities I mentioned that have undergirded our Republic for so long, have been wasted away, torn down, and weakened to the point today where we have a large segment of the population so beholden to these enemies. so dumbed down, so ignorant of the principles that maintain all of our liberty, that we are seriously in jeopardy of giving all power in this nation to the very enemies who would destroy it.

That is why the likes of traitors like Bill Ayers, Louis Farrakahn, Jeremiah Wright, James Cone, and so many political parties like the New Black Panthers, the Socialist Party USA, the Communist Party USA, and even HAMAS who hate this nation and are dedicated to its fundamental change and destruction are held up as icone by the left and the leadership of the Democratic Party and much of academia. They all have the same goals and they glory in the success of one another towards the achievement of them.

DOMESTIC ENEMIES TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA



ARE LINED UP BEHIND CANDIDATE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA



I AM THE ONE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

And, if that is not enough, just ask yourself, why Che Guevara, who was a radical, murderous Marxist revolutionary in Argentina, Cuba, and Bolivia, and who became Fidel Castro's chiefexecutioner...why is his picture proudly diplayed proudly at Obama election Headquarters?



All of this ties together and any American of any stripe who values their individual liberty should study these things out for themselves, throw off the chains of the governmental dole and public largess, of the indcotinration andpropoganda dealt out by liberal academia, and then act and vote accordingly.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - OBAMA'S CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY AND OBAMA'S CHURCH

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

31 posted on 04/26/2008 7:45:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

(repost from previous threads)

More lowdown on Ayers/Dohrn courtesy of David Horowitz/FrontPageMag
via discoverthenetwork.org:

Bill Ayers
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169

Bernardine Dohrn
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2190


32 posted on 04/26/2008 7:58:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Jeff Head
That is why the likes of traitors like Bill Ayers, Louis Farrakahn, Jeremiah Wright, James Cone, and so many political parties like the New Black Panthers, the Socialist Party USA, the Communist Party USA, and even HAMAS who hate this nation and are dedicated to its fundamental change and destruction are held up as icone by the left and the leadership of the Democratic Party and much of academia. They all have the same goals and they glory in the success of one another towards the achievement of them.

Not to forget the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) . They are perhaps more deeply connected to all of this than any other such organization. Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground, all were Maoist, as is the RCP. In fact, Bill Ayers, just a few weeks ago on his website, in a response to Sean Hannity, appears to have quoted Bob Avakian on the phrase "both possible and neccessary" in regards to a communist overthrow of the U.S. government.

Bill Ayers, April 6, 2008:
"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary."

Source: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/

See these Yahoo search results for "bob avakian" + "possible and necessary"

The Revolutionary Communist Party has an "anti-war" front group around today called World Can't Wait--Drive Out Tthe Bush Regime. WCW was founded by Charles Clark Kissinger, a leader of the RCP. C. Clark Kissinger, I believe, used to be a high-ranking member of SDS.

In Oct 2005, John Conyers Jr, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, actually gave a speech to this well known front for the Maoist-revolutionary RCP.

Also, Louis Farrakhan clearly has a great admiration for Mao Tse Tung:

"Obama the savior/transformer"

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4337417

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."..."Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source:
http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says

Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's "spirtual advisor" and pastor of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg

Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle
FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02

33 posted on 04/26/2008 8:44:53 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Eye On The Left

Reference Bump! ;-)


34 posted on 04/26/2008 11:38:09 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
... the Democratic Party today is a covert tool of political manipulation whose core agenda is to transform America into the kind of "socialist workers' paradise" envisioned by these one-time violent revolutionaries who were forced to change tactics but not their goals.

 

Bears repeating! 

35 posted on 04/26/2008 11:46:52 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Constitutional Patriot
greater concern w/ this political cycle is the number of people in this country who are so ignorant (or are otherwise America hating leftists) that they could support a marxist like Obama. This phenomena has accelerated at an exponential pace since the Clintons were in the White House.

It can only get worse.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I agree with your concern. The Dems I know are currently pretty much insane. A few months ago you could discuss issues like gun bans, illegal aliens, now they roll their eyes and froth at the mouth like rabid dogs, as their candidates , Hillery and Obama, duke it out, the one favor we have from themn is that we get to see the insane rhetoric and mind set under the propagana facade . Its pretty scarey.

Yes, the radicals have their knives out and are sharpening them , and brandishing them. I am quite amazed at what 2 presidential terms " out of power" can do do the Democrat Party. The fact that the have not been in executive power has shown the truer face of the Democrats.

Why any American would vote for them is beyond me.

But you are right, if the radicalization of the Democrat Party is not stopped or reversed, the Cultural War, can actually become a Civil War.

The Dems have offered no presidential candidate who is a US patriot. Therefore a Dem cannot win the US election, because a Dem cannot get much more than 40% of the vote via subterfuge, advertising and propagandizing.

The problem will be , as you say, how to handle the further resultant radicalization of the Dems, who cannot stand being removed from power and as a result will abandon the democratic process of our nation.

I believe some of them will begin to shoot people, or blow things up.

36 posted on 04/27/2008 3:50:19 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: george76
We have been far to tolerant of these unpatriotic radicals. Its time for a bucket of tar, a few old pillows full of feathers, and a cedar fence rail.

The hard questions need to be asked , or some one needs to swift-weatherman Obama, by writing a book about Obama as a closet, unpatriotic, non American ( he has Kenyan Citizenship), Christian hating radical black aristocrat.

I have a fork for Obama and his weatherman fiends,its not a salute, its a pitch.

37 posted on 04/27/2008 3:58:35 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama's candidacy is

D ohrn
O bama
A yers

for anyone with a brain and a patriotic heart!

38 posted on 04/27/2008 4:39:48 AM PDT by TPartyType
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To: Eye On The Left
This is sick stuff.Here's a bump.
“Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a “fork salute” to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the “Tate Eight” (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

“Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!””

39 posted on 04/27/2008 4:59:31 AM PDT by fatima (Pray for our FRriend Jim founder of this forum.)
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To: fatima
This is sick stuff. Here's a bump.

Here's something else you might be interested in. It's material I've previously compiled and posted at this site:

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Some of you may have seen parts of this before, but I've added some new stuff and rearranged it quite a bit. Be sure to check out the latest addition regarding Ayers' group being trained by KGB agents while in Cuba. It's a long read but an important one if you really want to know what kind of people Barack Obama has selected to associate himself with. ie, they weren't just "domestic terrorists", they were revolutionary communist "domestic terrorists" who actually allied themselves with the Viet Cong. They were only against the war because they wanted South Vietnam to fall to the North. In fact, both Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn, to this day, openly admit they're pro-communist, yet Hannity, Limbaugh and nearly every other popular conservative pundit refuses to call them such. It's incredible!

Fortunately, as an organization, the Weather Underground didn't kill anyone, other than three of their own in the NYC townhouse explosion. But they definitely tried.

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
March 6, 1970: "three members of the Weather Underground accidentally killed themselves in a Manhattan townhouse while attempting to build a powerful bomb they had intended to plant at a social dance in Fort Dix, New Jersey -- an event that was to be attended by U.S. Army soldiers. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plot been successfully executed."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

"The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"On October 20, 1981 -- long after the Weather Underground had ceased to exist -- former Underground member Kathy Boudin and her soon-to-be husband, David Gilbert, were accomplices in the robbery of a Brinks armored car in Nyack, New York. In the course of that heist, one Brinks guard and two Nyack police officers [also a Brinks truck guard] were murdered. Also involved in the robbery was Judith Clark, who had served a prison term for her participation in the 'Days of Rage.' Boudin hired attorney Leonard Weinglass, a law partner of her father, to defend her in the case.

Weinglass arranged for a plea bargain whereby Boudin pled guilty to one count of felony murder and robbery, in exchange for a prison sentence of twenty years to life. She was paroled in 2003, however, over strong opposition from New York State police. Gilbert remains in New York's Attica State Prison, having refused to bargain.

In 1985, former Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg (who also was implicated in the Nyack robbery) and Linda Evans were apprehended while transporting 740 pounds of explosives which they both acknowledged were slated for use in additional bombings. Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years in prison, Evans 40; President Bill Clinton pardoned both women in January 2001."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

The 1981 Former Weather Underground members/Black Liberation Army Brinks truck robbery/murder:

"David J. Gilbert, 37, rented the vehicle that same day in the Bronx. Gilbert was a long time member of the Weather Underground and a fugitive from the state of Colorado where he faced charges of assault and possession of explosives. The passenger in the front seat of the U Haul was Kathy Boudin, on the run from the law since the townhouse explosion in 1970. The couple had dropped off their one-year old child with a babysitter in the morning and was waiting for the return of the red van."

"In the back of the red van were Cecilio 'Chui' Ferguson, 35, Samuel Brown AKA Solomon Bouines, 41, Samuel Smith AKA Mtayari Sundiata, 37, and Donald Weems AKA Kuwasi Balagoon, 35. There were others present, but it has never been proven who, or how many. All the men in back of the van were members of a group they called 'The Family.' Most of them had ties to the Black Panthers or the Black Liberation Army, radical political groups that had many violent confrontations with police during the 1970s."

"At approximately 3:55 p.m., Paige, a 24-year Brink's veteran and his partner, Joe Trombino, 48, exited the doors to the Mall rolling out the moneybags on a hand truck. They walked over to the Brink's truck and began to load up the bags onto the rear deck. Simultaneously, the red van pulled up and the rear doors swung open. One of the suspects, armed with a shotgun, ran to the front of the truck and immediately fired two blasts directly at the bulletproof windshield. The guard in the front seat ducked just in time and was unhurt.

Another suspect, wearing a ski mask, opened up with his M-16 automatic rifle before his feet even hit the pavement, striking Paige in the neck, arm and chest. He was killed instantly.

Joe Trombino fired just one shot before he was hit several times in his upper arm and shoulder. The bullets all but severed his arm off his shoulder. "I've got no arm!" he screamed. But Trombino would survive that day, only to perish years later in another terrorist attack at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001."

Former Weather Underground members/Black Liberation Army Brinks robbery:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/brinks/4.html

Allies in War
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001:

ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."

The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.

Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."

Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"

(big snip)

Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.

His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/aclu/]

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

This next one is from WorldNetDaily:

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group's bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough," Ayers told the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001, "Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon," Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled "Fugitive Days." He continued with a disclaimer that he didn't personally set the bombs, but his group set the explosives and planned the attack.

A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund. The two appeared speaking together at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002, entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance. Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 [Brinks truck] murder and robbery that left 4 people [at least 2 police officers and 1 Brinks truck guard] dead.

Article title: Obama worked with terrorist Senator helped fund organization that rejects 'racist' Israel's existence:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231


"Sara Jane Olson and former fugitive Bernardine Dohrn chatted before Dohrn was to lead a panel discussion about conspiracy prosecutions of political activists in 2000. Olson (former Symbionese Liberation Front captor of Patty Hearst) has been sent back to prison for her role in a murder committed during a bank robbery, but **Dorhn and Ayers never had to serve a day in prison for their deeds in the Weather Underground, thanks to bleeding heart judges who threw the case out of court on a technicality."--source unknown

**"Dohrn once was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List. She served seven months in prison for refusing to cooperate with a grand jury investigating a 1981 armored truck robbery in Nyack, N.Y., in which two police officers were killed."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011101/aponline190504_000.htm

"All charges against him [Bill Ayers] were dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct during the long search for the fugitives. They later became legal guardians of Chesa Boudin, the son of former Weathermen David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, after his parents were arrested for their part in the Brinks Robbery of 1981.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

"During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century."

(snip)

"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:

'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but 'it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,' he said."

(snip)

"He also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."

From Sept 11, 2001, New York Times article/interview with Obama associate and friend, William/Bill Ayers.
Article title: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow.
Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare. "
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

"In July 1969, Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton, all representing 'Weatherman', as Dohrn's faction was now called, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

Bill Ayers, TODAY, April 6, 2008, demanding to debate communism vs capitalism! Yet Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and nearly every other conservative commentator FAILS to mention that these people were and still are revolutionary communists. Instead, they describe them as simply "domestic terrorists". Seems nearly everyone these days is afraid to use the 'C' word! Even in this extremely rare case where one of them actually admits it.

Bill Ayers, April 6, 2008:
"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/

Note: Ayers is very likely quoting Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party, with the phrase 'both possible and necessary' in regards to a communist overthrow of the US government. See these Yahoo search results for "bob avakian" + "possible and necessary"--Eye On The Left

From wikipedia.com:
6 March 1970 – Another group blows themselves up when their 'bomb factory' located in New York's Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO [Weather Underground] members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins die in this accident.

The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

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40 posted on 04/27/2008 5:53:56 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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