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Navy Reestablishes U.S. Fourth Fleet
navy.mil ^ | 4/24/08 | Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Alan Gragg

Posted on 04/25/2008 4:06:13 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey

MAYPORT, Fla. (NNS) -- Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. Gary Roughead announced today the reestablishment of U.S. 4th Fleet and assigned Rear Adm. Joseph D. Kernan, currently serving as Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command, as its first commander.

U.S. 4th Fleet will be responsible for U.S. Navy ships, aircraft and submarines operating in the U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) area of focus, which encompasses the Caribbean, and Central and South America and the surrounding waters.

Located in Mayport, Fla., and dual-hatted with Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command (COMUSNAVSO), U.S. 4th Fleet reestablishment addresses the increased role of maritime forces in the SOUTHCOM area of focus, and demonstrates U.S. commitment to regional partners.

"Reconstituting the Fourth Fleet recognizes the immense importance of maritime security in the southern part of the Western Hemisphere, and sends a strong signal to all the civil and military maritime services in Central and Latin America," said Roughead. "Aligning the Fourth Fleet along with our other numbered fleets and providing the capabilities and personnel are a logical execution of our new Maritime Strategy."

U.S. 4th Fleet was original established in 1943 as one of the original numbered fleets, and was given a specific mission. During World War II, the U.S. needed a command in charge of protecting against raiders, blockade runners and enemy submarines in the South Atlantic. U.S. 4th Fleet was disestablished in 1950 when U.S. 2nd Fleet took over its responsibilities.

Initially, the new 4th Fleet will be headquartered with COMUSNAVSO and take advantage of the existing infrastructure, communications support and personnel already in place in Mayport. As a result, U.S. 4th Fleet will not involve an increase in forces assigned in Mayport.

"This is a significant change and presents us the opportunity to garner the right resources for the missions we run for Southern Command," said Rear Adm. James W. Stevenson Jr., Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command (NAVSO). "As a numbered fleet, we will be in a better position to ensure the Combatant Commander has the right assets available when needed."

U.S. 4th Fleet will retain responsibility as COMUSNAVSO, the Navy component command for SOUTHCOM. Its mission is to direct U.S. naval forces operating in the Caribbean, Central and South American regions and interact with partner nation navies within the maritime environment. Various operations include counter-illicit trafficking, Theater Security Cooperation, military-to-military interaction and bilateral and multinational training.

For more information from Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command visit www.cusns.navy.mil.

For more information from U.S. Southern Command visit www.southcom.mil.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 4thfleet; navair; navy; southcom; usnavy
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To: Non-Sequitur
There was some public protest here about 20 years ago when supporting nuclear was first proposed. I think that the military would need to go through a permitting process, maybe even a public referendum, but with the success of the Kingsland facility, it should be a slam dunk.

There was a recent referendum passed to permit dredging for larger ships coming into Jaxport and Blount Island, and I believe that encompasses Mayport since it's at the mouth of the river.

21 posted on 04/25/2008 6:33:48 AM PDT by Dutchgirl ("All you need to know about Obama is this: Farrakhan really wants him to be president."-Feder)
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To: magslinger

Hey Hugo! Say Hello to my Li’l friend.


22 posted on 04/25/2008 6:40:12 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Robe
“Kernan is the first SEAL to command a numbered fleet.”

I'm sure he can do the job but it's an interesting selection, none the less.

It says a lot about the importance the Navy is putting on special operations skills.

23 posted on 04/25/2008 7:18:47 AM PDT by ryan71 (Typical bitter white gun toter)
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To: Robe; BIGLOOK

MAYPORT, Fla. (NNS) — Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. Gary Roughead announced today the reestablishment of U.S. 4th Fleet and assigned Rear Adm. Joseph D. Kernan, currently serving as Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command, as its first commander.

“U.S. 4th Fleet will be responsible for U.S. Navy ships, aircraft and submarines operating in the U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) area of focus, which encompasses the Caribbean, and Central and South America and the surrounding waters.”

Kernan is the first SEAL to command a numbered fleet.
He commanded Platoons at Underwater Demolition Team 12, SEAL
Delivery Vehicle Team 1, and SEAL Team 5. Additionally while
assigned to SEAL Team 5, he served as Detachment Officer-in-Charge
of four deployed SEAL platoons and Deputy Commander, Naval Special Warfare Task Force, Middle East Force.

Impressive guy !!


Makes one wonder what was on the computers of Chavez’s butt boy who got a dirt bath earlier this year, courtesy of Columbia?

This makes one hell of an impressive combo with a Great Seal in command of this mobile fire power and a real understanding of how to use and how not to use Spec Ops.

Candy Gram time for Chavez?


24 posted on 04/25/2008 7:21:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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To: jimtorr

Key West? I was in Key West. Give me a break. That’s the party base. What do they have? 3 or 4 slips? As least when I was there in the 70s.

Mayport is the place you wanna be. Key West is way too small and close enough to Cuba to wave hello to Raul. The waters are incredibly shallow with limited maneuvering for bigger ships. That is no place to be based for anything other than local patrols. If any place was a case study for a littoral navy, that’s it.


25 posted on 04/25/2008 8:26:20 AM PDT by bioqubit
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To: magslinger; Non-Sequitur

Non-Sequitur points out that any carrier in the Atlantic would be assigned to the 2nd Fleet and loaned to the 4th Fleet as needed.

My thought is that assigning the USS Bush to the 4th Fleet and basing it in Mayport (and loaning it elsewhere as needed) would demonstrate that the 4th Fleet is meant to be a serious and permanent projection of power in an increasingly troubled area on our doorstep and not simply a reorganization of top brass.


26 posted on 04/25/2008 8:37:00 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Dutchgirl; Non-Sequitur

The Virginia politicians managed to get the jets assigned to NAS Cecil Field moved to NAS Oceana in the BRAC round of the early 90’s. When Cecil closed, the property was turned over to the City of Jacksonville and, not anticipating the possibility of the jets returning, began developing civilian industries. Restrictions on development in the area were also removed, and Oak Leaf Plantation, among others, sprang up.

The most recent BRAC round looked at moving the jets back because of the encroached development at Oceana hindered operations and training. Unfortunately, by then Cecil Commerce Center and surrounding development made that move infeasible. As much as Jacksonville would have liked to have them back, it was really too late in the game to move the to Cecil. The Navy still uses OLF Whitehouse to practice carrier landings, and the city does actively restrict development around it.

I am not aware of any major public protests over making Mayport “nuclear capable” 20 years ago. If there were such protests, they would have been carried out by a few malcontents only and not have been a reflection of the city’s mood.

When the USS Saratoga was decommisioned, the Navy brought in the USS Kennedy. That has since been decommisioned (the USS Kitty Hawk, stationed in Japan, is now the only non-nuclear carrier in the fleet). The Navy completed an EIS for upgrading Mayport to handle nuclear carriers (this work involves dredging and building nuclear maintenence facilities). All local politicans are highly enthusiastic for this and I am not aware of any local opposition.


27 posted on 04/25/2008 8:51:22 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Non-Sequitur
Carriers won't be permanently assigned to the 4th Fleet, just like they aren't permanently assigned to the 6th or 5th Fleets. They'll be detached from the 2nd Fleet and deployed to the 4th as necessary.

I agree. Carriers do post yard work ups down there anyway plus pre-deployment training. There usually one underway in the area I'd guess most of the time. Typical time down off GITMO alone used to be 30-45 days straight. They could and should open Rosie Roads NAS back up though for support and a staging area.

28 posted on 04/25/2008 8:59:48 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: Typical_Whitey

So this is why those 2 Essex class carriers and 3 dozen coal fired four-stackers were pulled out of mouthballs last month.


29 posted on 04/25/2008 9:00:51 AM PDT by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Bingo.


30 posted on 04/25/2008 9:09:27 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
To accommodate a nuclear carrier, the Navy would have to dredge a channel about 10 feet deeper and build three major maintenance facilities, according to the report.

The Navy estimates it would cost $50 million to dredge 5.7 million cubic yards of sediment and up to $370 million to build the shore and pier infrastructure.

Future of Mayport Naval Station remains uncertain

31 posted on 04/25/2008 9:14:30 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
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To: GATOR NAVY
No matter the cost we need more than one operational carrier base on the east coast. Pier 10 I think it is called in NORVA has issues such as lacking wind shear protection that the old pier 12 offered due to location. Hampton Roads storms can be quite mean and quite sudden. Pier 12 held us tight while other ships broke away.

We don't need every undeployed carrier sitting in NORVA. Mayport used to be one of our liberty ports. KENNEDY was homeported there in the 1970's IIRC and in 1980 we got orders for a homeport change to Mayport that I think Cap Weinberger later rescinded. Not sure about that I was off ship by then.

32 posted on 04/25/2008 9:25:57 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: bobjam

OK, makes sense to me. Coming out of the blue as it were and my low caffeine state it didn’t click.


33 posted on 04/25/2008 11:11:43 AM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: theDentist

Especially with that name. Steaming around spewing sulfur fumes. I know it’s the wrong Bush, but would Hugo?


34 posted on 04/25/2008 11:14:37 AM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Nuclear carriers require no different support that I'm aware of than conventional ones do. Other than not needing refueling.

This is a little bit of a misnomer. CVN's are still very much a part of the logistics chain as they regularly take on fuel for their CAGs - and that fuel is sometimes used to refuel the carrier escorts during exercises (meaning I don't think they've ever had to do this as part of an actual deployment).

A carrier that didn't regularly replenish her fuel stores would shortly become a glorified aircraft transport.

35 posted on 04/25/2008 12:36:27 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
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To: PeterFinn
This is a little bit of a misnomer. CVN's are still very much a part of the logistics chain as they regularly take on fuel for their CAGs - and that fuel is sometimes used to refuel the carrier escorts during exercises.

And since Mayport has hosted carriers for decades, an infrastruction for loading aviation fuel will already be in place. The requirements for loading it on nuclear carriers will not be any different than loading it on a conventional one.

36 posted on 04/25/2008 12:43:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

A “Fleet” Commanded by a Rear Admiral?

He’s obviously a warrior of note, but until they let me know what assets he’s going to have available, this is pretty much a paper move.

Most CTGs were run by RADMs if I recall. A Fleet was a Vice Admiral slot.


37 posted on 04/25/2008 1:32:35 PM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
Hey I'm a Navy Dad, with a question for one of you knowledgeable Navy guys. My Son has served in Key West, Mayport and at Present at the US Embassy in London. He is about to be reassigned and has a dream sheet for two billets in San Diego and one in Tampa. What are the chances he could go to SD? I heard some where that once have most of your assignments is say the Atlantic that you would be inclined to stay on the East Coast. Is there any truth to that?
38 posted on 04/25/2008 1:47:02 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (My tag line is broken)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Oh, Hugooooooooooooooooooooo


39 posted on 04/25/2008 4:45:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Typical_Whitey

And yet we don’t have the money for the aircraft that we need on carriers... but we can still at another level of bureaucracy.


40 posted on 04/25/2008 6:13:00 PM PDT by DesScorp
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