Posted on 04/24/2008 3:01:56 PM PDT by Politicalmom
25 mothers taken from FLDS ranch now believed to be minors
SAN ANGELO, Texas — Twenty-five mothers staying at a shelter for children taken from a polygamists' compound are now believed to be minors.
Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar says the girls initially claimed to be adults but are now believed to be under 18. The girls are in state custody.
The discovery takes the number of children taken from the ranch controlled by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to 462. The number has been climbing since the state swept all the children off the ranch nearly three weeks ago.
Of the children taken into custody, roughly 260 remain at the San Angelo Coliseum. The others were bused to foster facilities around the state.ate.
Interesting that the name is there.
Notice the subtleties of deception...the law enforcement interest in this case--underaged girls or women who were impregnated while they were minors--becomes interpreted by deceivers as young pregnant "women"...
(Planned Parenthod & their cohorts do this same kind of subtle language manipulation all the time...when these folks want to advocate more $ coming their way to address the problem of "teen pregnancy"...they'll quote teen pregnancy stats with language like "children having children"--even though they are also including married 17 yo + 18 & 19 yo teens--some of whom are legally married (unlike most of the minors in this situation because the state doesn't recognize "add-on" wives or marriage to 16 & under girls...or when the abortion language manipulators oppose parental consent laws, all of a sudden they will refer to female minors as "women")
And before the above-noted subtlety, Mr. Fork-ed Tongue Fork-edbeard, expands the legal problem at hand from underaged girls impregnated by already-married adult men to all underaged pregnant girls--as if law enforcement was going to sweep in to arrest all 16 yo & 17 yo male fathers of underaged pregnant girls in every state!
You can always spot the ignorant or deceitful manipulators by how they toss in parallels meant to muddy the waters -- but their arguments are always apples to oranges.
When it is thrown out as proof of child statutory rape it would be prudent to ask how just being pregnant at an age under 18 is actual proof of said accusation. Being pregnant is not proof. Finding out the father is 52 would be however.
It is a fact that underage people have sex with other underage people in this country no matter how much one tries to intimate differently by posting proof in these accusations as being merely pregnant. Simple logic.
Or the posts are coming from the offices of the FLDS attorneys.
You assume there is truth in something coming from the website of the FLDS cult. I could fabricate a story about a TWO-year-old and post it.
and some of the posts are coming from government social workers methinks.
I pray that these men who have been raping and abusing children are brought to justice.
IOW,
Nothing that happened in the compound can be as bad as being outside the compound because, well, everyone outside is bad with bad intentions.
Diabolical is the right word.
I’m not being subtle at all. And I am not deceiving anyone. I did not introduce the concept and phrase “underage mother”. Someone else did. There’s the deception. There is the manipulation of language.
If the existence of young mothers implies a crime, prosecute it. If this is essentially a rape case, then prosecute the the rape case. Prosecute the criminal.
Well, good basic logic but not good deductive logic as applied to these situations.
If you were talking about all-too-rampant sexually indulgent teen culture, what you say would make sense. But in a...
...highly micromanaged culture...
...with little privacy in a communal setting...
...in an extremely limited geographical sphere with no real "roam-room"...
...with the strongest possible religious frowning upon teen adultery...
...with most of the male competition already moved off site ("lost boys")...
...with a criminal track record already accumulated for this sexual & "breeding" exploitation elsewhere by extended members of the family and cult...
...with an utter historical track record disregard for state and federal laws on age of consent and laws upholding monogamy...
...No, you've deliberately or carelessly avoided these particular dynamics in your assessment. (That's why general cultural logic is never enough; you need to apply sub-cultural experiences/realities to the situation).
:-) Actually, I've heard they've been X-raying some of them, and that would reveal a lot about their ages.
One of the most common misunderstandings I've seen on these threads is the role of CPS vs. the role of law enforcement officials. Statements made by JustaDumbBlonde, Diplomat, Gondring, and others all seemed to confuse the two agencies.
CPS plays "defense." (child removal) based upon if there is a credible report of a rape that could be repeated. (If CPS waited til law enforcement folks finished their investigation, there'd be a whole lot of minors with intensified, escalated cases of abuse).
Law enforcement agencies working with prosecutors play "offense" to get the perps off the streets. What we saw earlier this month was child removal, not men arrested.
When I wrote this post to CharlesWayneCT, even he said it was “a good summary of the crux of the debate:” Whereas the law enforcement folks might take weeks to investigate a case before charges are pressed (an offensive role vs. suspected perps), CPS is charged with a more immediate intervention role to pre-empt potential reoccurrence of a sexual tramautic event (defensive role). It doesn't have to have to same level of investigative certainty.
In part, CharlesWayneCT responded: Actually, that is a good summary of the crux of the debate. The level of certainty before a person is arrested for a crime is much different than the level used before a child is arrested for being abused…
We all know that CPS is offensive.
How many are 12 or 13?
“If the existence of young mothers implies a crime, prosecute it. If this is essentially a rape case, then prosecute the the rape case. Prosecute the criminal.”
The belief of several states and Canada is that the cult itself is a criminal enterprise that practices child rape.
The flurry of activity, charges, convictions, and pending trials in the last seven years by those several different states and the high level of cooperation among them is because this is not a cult with a few bad apples, but that this is what the cult does as one of the primary reasons for it’s existence.
The hope of some here that the handpicked Jeffs people that filled the branch in Texas were the one’s that were not following the religion is probably a fruitless hope.
Busting a cult with this level of unity, and experience with the law is difficult and called for an unusual scale of efforts to succeed in getting useful evidence.
Everything that is being done, has to be done to find the evidence among this secretive, united in purpose, confusing mob of people from all over. Separating them, taking DNA, getting the kids away from this odd collection of committed, adult true believers, all had to be done.
As it is, the cult is giving up very little information, except for what our scientists can find. The cult is an old hand when it comes to ways to hide their crimes from the law, in fact the group in Texas were handpicked by Jeffs as the most trustworthy members, and the least contaminated children, with that in mind.
LOL.
Now that homeschooling has been declared illegal in California, I suppose you’d support authorities raiding homes and taking away children based on it being “known” that such brainwashing was occuring. In fact, I am sure you are fine with the warrant being based on hearsay, like this one was.
Right now I am occupied with this raid on the child rape cult in Texas, California home schooling is not on my radar right now.
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