Posted on 04/24/2008 3:01:56 PM PDT by Politicalmom
25 mothers taken from FLDS ranch now believed to be minors
SAN ANGELO, Texas — Twenty-five mothers staying at a shelter for children taken from a polygamists' compound are now believed to be minors.
Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar says the girls initially claimed to be adults but are now believed to be under 18. The girls are in state custody.
The discovery takes the number of children taken from the ranch controlled by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to 462. The number has been climbing since the state swept all the children off the ranch nearly three weeks ago.
Of the children taken into custody, roughly 260 remain at the San Angelo Coliseum. The others were bused to foster facilities around the state.ate.
They found SEVERAL “Sarah Jessops”.
“...25 underage moms...”
What is that? Is it illegal to be pregnant under a certain age? Is that what we’re coming to here? Do you imagine this is the only community where you would find young pregnant women?
Some of these children were born with one name and then taken from their fathers or even their mothers and reassigned to families living at the YFZ ranch.
They gave different names because of that.
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Maybe Dale Barlow was one of them. If they can't keep their names straight how can Doran and the Texas Rangers?
Your carefully intimated position (taken only in intimation to avoid any blowback from the absurdity of it) requires the willful suspension of my abilities to reason to buy in. As such, I will retain sanity and continue to point out that this cult is known for, and multiple members have been prosecuted and convicted for statutory rape. If you'd like, I can give you some names.
The presence of other underage moms in the world does not mean that we cannot protect young girls from being raped at the hands of their uncles, cousins, and in some cases, fathers. If you are unfamiliar with the history of the FLDS, there are a number of good books with which you can acquaint yourself. Under the Banner of Heaven, by Jon Krakauer, is a remarkably succint book detailing both the history and results of this cult. Though it was written around the time Warren Jeffs took control of the FLDS, Mr. Krakauer was remarkably prescient in noting what Jeff's effect would be on the cult. He even had information at the time that Warren was building a walled compound in a remote place to preserve the sect, long before even the locals of El Dorado knew what was going on there.
Either you can continue to shill for this case or you can acquaint yourself with some relevant facts about this cult. Your sophistry and misdirection (either out of naivete without any background information or with malicious obfuscation) is rather transparent.
“The presence of other underage moms in the world does not mean that we cannot protect young girls from being raped at the hands of their uncles, cousins, and in some cases, fathers.”
Oh. So it IS a rape case. Then prosecute the criminal case. Prosecute the criminals.
The mothers are minors in protective custody.
They were raped.
Pay attention.
Underage rape is a horror.
Underage rape that results in a pregnancy is heartbreaking.
Underage rape disguised as ‘marriage’ or other totally non-consentual nonsense is still a crime-— as is all of the above.
Again, the mothers are being protected from their rapists and those who assisted their rapists.
DNA evidence will identify their rapists.
Do you think that the state suspects child abuse in a home, knows kids are in the home, and leaves the kids in that home while awaiting the gathering of evidence and a trial?
Children are removed on an all-too-regular basis from their homes because of ALLEGATIONS and EVIDENCE of abuse (not convictions). And the "all-too-regular" removals has a frightening correlation to "all-too-regular" abuse of children. If you think that we should not put out a fire until we prosecute the arsonist, you are free to hold that intellectually bankrupt position. I shall continue on in sanity.
“...another 10 or 20 or 30 young girls are raped...”
This assumes rape has occurred. Okay. Prosecute the crime. Prosecute the criminals.
This is a multi-case crime, involving underage rape as one of many crimes. The only way to identify the rapists is via DNA evidence from the in protective custody underage pregnant females. So yes, they are in the process of gathering evidence to prosecute the monsters who used these girls as sex slaves.
(Dang, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear Jeff’s had a lappy in his cell.)
No, I’m not sure. I don’t have to be. I don’t wield the collective power of the State.
Are you saying that NO child there was living with any biological parent? I doubt you believe that.
Have you read any sources about this particular sect outside of the news coverage of this event?
You responded to a poster saying that they were unsure of too many things. You cannot even be certain that all these kids were the biological kids of those who are parenting them. Do not throw stones about assumptions and probabilities when you have not the weight of all of them upon your side. Just a helpful suggestion. I know you'll appreciate it.
You mean, this assumes that the normal activities of this cult continues. Yes.
Can you source that?
I believe these girls are probably pregnant because of statutory rape by older males. But there were at least 2 dozen teens that we know of, males.
The child had already been removed from the place she was sleeping by a CPs worker. So it is safe to assume she was frightened of them. WHo wouldn't be?
This 3 year old child is one that was taken without a mother. She had no one. I don't have a hard time believing she was scared. I have a 3 year old.
That having been said, I am good with any one assuming any thing they want to in the course of discussion.
Before the raid was executed, the sheriff spoke on the phone with Dale Barlow and KNEW that he was not present at this ranch, and had never even been there.
"Prior to executing the initial warrant, (Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran) was advised that Dale Barlow was in Arizona and not on the premises sought to be searched. In fact, prior to entering the premises Sheriff Doran actually spoke to Dale Barlow in Arizona by cellphone, confirming his driver license number and the fact that he was in Arizona," the filing says. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2006954/posts
Absolutely incorrect.
More than 2 dozen teen boys that are known.
There is no defending this and those that do devalue religion and give the “religious right” a BAD NAME.
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