Bottom Picture: In the middle is "Flora Jessop" between Fawn Holm (left) and Fawn Broadbent (right).
Look how much Ruby and Flora Jessop look a like and how the 2 Fawn's look a like.
More is here...http://helpthechildbrides.com/
Posted on 04/23/2008 4:49:36 PM PDT by Politicalmom
SAN ANGELO, Texas – The first of more than 400 children taken from a polygamist compound boarded buses Tuesday bound for 16 emergency shelters, children's homes and foster care agencies throughout the state, including two in North Texas.
As the buses rolled out, the children eagerly waved and smiled at television cameras. Lawyers inside the San Angelo Coliseum who were meeting with their adult or child clients said authorities allowed no one in or out while the children, 114 of them by day's end, were loaded onto the buses.
(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...
I’ll correct myself... Does the young wife look as young as 20 years old who is in the picture with 3 children? (If it is Carolyn Jessop, then she could have had the first child at 18 yrs old, the second child at 19 yrs old and the third child at 20 yrs old)
Young is a common FLDS surname.
Has LDS active polygamy been "re-colonized" to places like Kolob Heights or planetary parts thereof and is this supposedly going on "right now?" Yes.
If an LDS member enters into a polyg marriage can he/she remain a member? No. Excommunicated.
If an LDS member enters into a polyg marriage at the very moment of death, does he/she get excommunicated or demoted some degree of glory in the life beyond? No. (If baptism for the dead can "up" a person a degree of glory, then certainly it should be a 2-way door)
Do the LDS marry multiple child brides? No.
Hey, if your grandkids were doing something illegal lifestyle-wise a few generations from now...and somebody asks them where they got the idea to do it, and they point a finger your way, don't you feel that you indirectly "aided & abetted" them in guiding them by word (D&C132:4,21) & deed? (exemplifying for them exactly what they might come to be arrested for)
So instead of fast-forwarding two generations down the pike, just hit the rewind button generation-wise in the other direction: Many LDS women were born as "child brides" in the 1880s...examples like Abel Hardy, who married a 15 yo (Maria Cooley) in 1896 and then post-manifesto, married Cynthia Porter (16) in 1901 along with hundreds of 14-16 yo LDS girls who were married off as plural wives in the 19th century and early 20th century.
Do the LDS kick out their teenage boys so they don’t provide competition for horny old guys? No.
No, I've already pointed out that this was a distinction even within 19th century Mormonism. Still, it wouldn't surprise me to hear of an LDS leader who may have sent a young adult "competitor" away on a mission to keep him from courting an available older teen or young woman.
Certainly we know one effect of the LDS heritage of polygamy--a lesson the fLDS learned well from their parents & grandparents--was what sociologist Kimball Young attested to re: late 19th century Mormonism: "under polygamy some men would have to remain unwed....it was not uncommon for a man to select a plural mate from among recent arrivals of converts in Salt Lake City" (Isn't One Wife Enough? 1954, p.124, as cited by Changing World..., p. 225).
Do LDS live in isolated compounds and rarely interact with the outside world? No.
No. But the insular lifestyle of 19th century mainstream Mormons is another lesson gleaned by fLDS from their LDS parents & grandparents...find a deserted place (like Brigham's Deseret, 1846)...John D. Lee's Ferry, which led to the development of Short Creek, where fLDS polygamy flourished...Oh, and according to Krakauer's book, Under the Banner of Heaven, who was the person the LDS Church sent to assist Lee & his wife living in that region? (The LDS Church) And what was his name? (Johnson) And was he the early fLDS leader? (Yes) And why, again, was even John D. Lee, one of Brigham Young's adopted sons, in that remote region, anyway? (He was "hiding out" from being too visible for easy prosecution for his part in the Mountain Meadows massacre...which means there's an indirect linkage of trying to cover up LDS initiated mass murder to a "trigger" for a "flash point" of fundamentalist polygamy.)
I don’t know if it’s Christlike love for our eternal welfare...
Indeed, it is. The same "prophets" that locked LDS into polygamy for over 100 years is the same "prophets" who locked fLDS into polygamy for the next 100. (All still cite the same LDS "Scripture"--D&C 132:4, 21, etc. And the same "prophets" that locked LDS into polygamy for over 100 years have been locking LDS out of the true celestial kingdom for the past 178 years.
Just as one 19th century LDS first wife who was so upset at her husband bringing home a second wife purposely shut herself out of her house by crawling on the roof that night--and freezing to death because it was winter--so, too, polygamy & other LDS afterlife beliefs have been wreaking spiritual havoc.
I’m not surprised to hear about that.
Truthfully, this particular ranch is likely only the tip of the FLDS polygamy iceberg.
*sigh*
Ruby & Flora Jessop are sisters
In April of 2001, Ruby Jessop attempted to break away from an oppressive and abusive isolated community in Colorado City, Arizona after being forced to marry her step-brother. She received insufficient support from government authorities in Utah and Arizona and ended up back under the control of her authoritarian, isolationist community of the FLDS Church polygamists . Since then she’s rarely been seen in public, never unescorted. When a girl has tried to run the polygamists isolate them away and re-educate them. Ruby hasn’t been able to speak to any outsider since she was returned to the polygamists.
Teddy bears, pigtails, 13-year-old girls. . . and Marriage!
Salt Lake Tribune article; 12/14/97
In April, a 13-year-old girl described to a Utah jury the horror of her father marrying her off to a 48 year old man when a prosecutor asked if she could have fabricated having sex with older men.
``There’s no way my imagination could make up what I went through,’’ she answered, while clutching a teddy bear. (from Salt Lake Tribune article—see below)
http://helpthechildbrides.com/news/teddybear.htm
Please go here and read this whole article.
Hopefully this will help you understand why these children have been removed from their mother’s care.
The mother’s are just as bad as the men.
http://helpthechildbrides.com/news/teddybear.htm
LOL! That's the funniest thing I've heard in a week.
Again, I humbly submit to you: you need a new hobby. Maybe knitting? Or crochet?
One shouldn't take away a single child, let alone a huge number of them, without probable case that the child is in danger. I don't think anyone alleges that any child under 13 is in danger - but why did they take all of them? Evidence? Since when can you take a child away from his/her parents for evidence? Since now I guess.
Hey just because your local bishop can supposedly judge what's in the heart of all the folks in your ward (perhaps resorting to body language guesswork when it comes to interpreting answers to temple recommend questions), doesn't mean you can judge my heart motivations.
As the first book of Samuel says, a man judges by outward appearances but God knows the heart.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
I’ve seen PLENTY of your fruits. I know where you’re coming from.
Go with God.
When’s the last time you posted on a thread that was NOT Mormon-related?
The parents could not or would not identify their biological children, and the children did not know who their real mothers were. DNA testing will establish that.
The mothers knew that if they identified their own children and told their own identities and real ages, that information would implicate their polygamist husbands. So they all kept quiet and refused to say.
The judge will get it sorted out.
We don't yet know all of what these sick freaks were doing at the cult compound.
Wait and see.
You can think that, but it wasn't illegal. Everything was done within the law.
One shouldn't take away a single child, let alone a huge number of them, without probable case that the child is in danger. I don't think anyone alleges that any child under 13 is in danger - but why did they take all of them?
There was probable cause. That's why the judge approved the warrant. Furthermore, I believe there much of the evidence has not been leaked to the media. There are going to be multiple trials.
Moreover, you seem to have a cavalier attitude towards child abuse cases where the authorities act. I read more and more cases where nothing is done until the child is dead - and then everyone is asking "Where was everyone?"
Former FLDS members will be expert witnesses at the trials to events such as holding infants under water - "breaking babies" as Carolyn Jessop said on a recent television interview. Girls as young as 12 being added to the "Joy Book" putting them out there for "marriage" to the old men. Boys being abandoned once they reached puberty.
The state of Texas didn't create this mess. The FLDS did. You want the state to clean it up overnight?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2003970/posts?page=41#41
From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints: • The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006. • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. • [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.” • Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West. • The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects. • Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups. • Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.” • There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things. • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.
I searched the news and internet - I have not found one story of the LDS church stepping up to take in these children. Have you? If you hear something, please let me know.
I did find this from Monday:
I have not heard if the LDS church has accepted the judge's request.
And your church is doing what?
That's a fair question. We are in NJ - not Texas, and I belong to an evangelical church. My church has missions right now to many states, localities, and nations around the world. Not the headquarters branch, but our own little chruch. We even have people still doing Katrina relief projects. I heard yesterday that 100 of the children have been placed in foster homes. I have asked our elders what can be done to help. Thanks.
bump thanks
People who love freedom and children know what berserk and evil is, and you can read about it in any news any day. We know that it includes leaving a child with a mother who allows that child to be raped or otherwise abused in the name of religion. Children deserve a free life and happy childhood on this earth. They only get one shot at it.
What the hell is wrong with the child abuse and slavery apologists hanging around a site that starts with the word "FREE"? I think the lot of these nutjobs should put on a prairie dress, jump on a bus and ride into the ranch for a few nights of subjection, and that includes the men among you. Equal opportunity and all that.
HEY!!!
Look over THERE!
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