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Stop Illegal Gun Sales
Harford Courant ^ | 21 April 2008 | Editorial

Posted on 04/22/2008 5:13:26 AM PDT by marktwain

Hartford police officers recovered about 400 illegally acquired firearms last year. Those weapons didn't pop up out of thin air.

People who owned or had access to legal firearms either lost them or sold them to convicted criminals, the mentally ill and other people who were unauthorized to own guns.

Many violent urban crimes and college campus shootings could be prevented if Congress would pass laws to impose foolproof methods of stopping legal guns from getting into the wrong hands.

Unfortunately, efforts to pass such laws are often thwarted by the powerful National Rifle Association gun lobby on grounds that they would violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

A new national organization called Mayors Against Illegal Guns, whose members include Hartford Mayor Eddie Perez and Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch, proposed a four-step legislative plan last week aimed at curbing the flow of illegal firearms in ways that do not raise Second Amendment issues.

Congress should take heed and act on the recommendations.

The mayors want Congress to stop gun-show sales of firearms to people without background checks; require checks on gun-shop employees; block gun dealers with revoked licenses from selling off their weapons stock; and bar people on the terrorist no-fly list from purchasing guns.

Elsewhere in the country, some states are beginning to follow Connecticut's example and are passing laws forcing gun owners to report lost or stolen weapons immediately. Others are considering laws to require criminal background checks on ammunition buyers and to place imprints on ammunition so as to better trace guns used in crimes.

Congress should take these matters up as well. Restricting illegal gun traffic is a law enforcement issue, not a Second Amendment issue.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: anti; banglist; bloomberg; bloomberggestapo; gun; gunshow; illegalmayors
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To: Hootowl
do a simple background check and put

I don't know where you live, but in Nebraska, we have to have 'simple background checks' to get a permit to allow us to purchase handguns and those take three days. Can you imagine telling your 16 y/o kid they have to wait three days to get their license once they pass their driver's test?

21 posted on 04/22/2008 6:02:39 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments. Alexander the Great)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'd guess that a prime way would be to get their girlfriends to buy for them

Bingo!

I was recently at the local sheriffs office to renew my CCW. While there a young black woman came in with her gansta boyfriend. She went to the window and as she spoke to the clerk, the gansta boyfriend was mouthing the words they had rehearsed to himself.

If the clerk had questioned the arrangement, I'm sure it would have been racial profiling. For the gun store clerk that may eventually sell her a weapon it will be a federal crime.

22 posted on 04/22/2008 6:04:20 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: marktwain
Stop Illegal Gun Sales

I agree, and the easiest way is to void all laws that interfere with gun sales hence making all sales legal.

23 posted on 04/22/2008 6:10:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: SirFishalot

You should trumpet this simple set of FACTS to as many people as possible. Especially politicians (many times to them, it takes a while for actual facts to penetrate their “ I’m in charge, I know everything!” pea-sized brains) as they are the ones trying to shut down what can pry them out of office. I’m not surprised that liability and insurance trumps criminal activity. Maybe if we required politicians to be personally liable for their actions...no that would eliminate most Poli...ANOTHER GREAT IDEA !!!insure them out of business!!


24 posted on 04/22/2008 6:12:53 AM PDT by junkman_106 (Once is chance, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action ---007/Ian Fleming)
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To: TC Rider
I was recently at the local sheriffs office to renew my CCW. While there a young black woman came in with her gansta boyfriend. She went to the window and as she spoke to the clerk, the gansta boyfriend was mouthing the words they had rehearsed to himself.

I understand having their girlfriends buy the guns, but what good does it do to have their girlfriend get a CCW permit?

25 posted on 04/22/2008 6:14:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SirFishalot

My guess is that nearly all of the people who rail against gun shows have never been to a gun show. Here in Virginia we hear all the time about a “gun show loophole” that DOESN’T EVEN EXIST.


26 posted on 04/22/2008 6:17:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“I understand having their girlfriends buy the guns, but what good does it do to have their girlfriend get a CCW permit?”

Some states I think require a CCW to purchase ammo. It’s at the very least the appearance of a straw purchase.


27 posted on 04/22/2008 6:18:52 AM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Just Another Bitter Republican Clinging to my Glock 19)
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To: PapaBear3625
"I'd guess that a prime way would be to get their girlfriends to buy for them"

And that in itself is a crime. You cannot be a straw buyer. Many times when this happens, the girlfriend is there and someone is pointing out to them what weapon to buy. If that happens, the gun dealer can refuse to sell.
28 posted on 04/22/2008 6:20:04 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TC Rider
We have this happen in the shop I work at once in a while. The gangsta(the skewed flat hat brim is a dead giveaway) comes in with the girlfriend, points out what he wants, and she asks to buy it.

First words from me...."Straw purchases are a federal crime, are you sure you want to fill out this form?".

29 posted on 04/22/2008 6:25:18 AM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create racial divisiveness.)
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To: marktwain

This gun show loophole crap does not even exist in Pennsylvania. If you sell a personal handgun at a gunshow to another private buyer you have to go to one of the tables and get a background check done there at a minimal cost ( 5 - 10 bucks) before completing the purchase. I suppose you could just sell it without the background check, but then again you can do that without the gunshow also and it’s illegal.

What more laws do these anti gunnuts want?


30 posted on 04/22/2008 6:26:10 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: marktwain
People who owned or had access to legal firearms either lost them or sold them to convicted criminals, the mentally ill and other people who were unauthorized to own guns.

For the most part, this is a load of nonsense. Criminals STEAL guns, or they get them from a strawman purchase (which is illegal!) thus, the person purchasing them in the first place can be charged.

The rest are likely stolen weapons.
31 posted on 04/22/2008 6:28:48 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Sir Hailstone

Okay, that makes sense.


32 posted on 04/22/2008 6:29:24 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: marktwain

Requiring more cooperation from those who won’t cooperate won’t work.

Crack is illegal everywhere in this country, has to be imported, faces a “war on drugs”, yet is available to anyone who wants it within about 2 hours.


33 posted on 04/22/2008 6:30:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Hootowl

“When someone gets a driver’s license, do a simple background check and put, on the license, whether the person is authorized to purchase a gun or not.”

No offense, but that’s really a stupid idea.

Please tell me how by having your drivers license “stamped” that you cannot own or possess a firearm will stop the “...fear of a Government seizure of privately-owned firearms..”?

What about non-drivers? Your papers, please.

The last thing we need is one more gun law added to the 22,000+ on the books already.


34 posted on 04/22/2008 6:31:46 AM PDT by panaxanax (Writing in Duncan Hunter 2008!)
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To: wagglebee

Some states require a permit to own things (by serial number), not just carry them. She buys, he uses.


35 posted on 04/22/2008 6:32:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Hacklehead
Lost or sold? How about stolen, or is that lumped in under “lost”?

Guns shouldn't be where they can be stolen
36 posted on 04/22/2008 6:34:52 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: TC Rider
I was recently at the local sheriffs office to renew my CCW. While there a young black woman came in with her gansta boyfriend.

That's another way for the gangsta to be effectively armed -- have the girlfriend have a CCW and carry the gun for him, then hand it to him when he needs it

37 posted on 04/22/2008 6:35:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: wagglebee
I understand having their girlfriends buy the guns, but what good does it do to have their girlfriend get a CCW permit?

So he can have the girlfriend drive around with him and hold onto the gun until he needs it

38 posted on 04/22/2008 6:37:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: wagglebee
I understand having their girlfriends buy the guns, but what good does it do to have their girlfriend get a CCW permit?

Sorry I wasn't clear. NC requires a handgun permit or a valid CCW to buy a handgun. The same window at the office handles both.

To purchase a handgun without a CCW in NC requires a visit to the sheriffs office, you fill out a form with your info, they run a background check and you pick up your permit to purchase in about a week. You can get up to five at a time and the cost is $5 each. They are valid for five years as I recall. They can only deny the permit if you have a criminal record, or you admit to a drug addiction or mental defect.

With a CCW you can buy all you want. woohoo! It does make life easier, though it would be nicer to live in a free state.

39 posted on 04/22/2008 6:37:57 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: marktwain

Just take a look at England where handguns are tightly controlled. Now they have begun regulating all types of knives and even cricket bats. Sticks & Rocks are next.

When the current Uganda regime overthrew the previous, angry citizens attacked the retreating defeated army. Some soldiers were beaten to death with junk automobile shock absorbers.

You cannot prevent access to everything that someone might use to inflict harm on another. You can make the penalties for doing so very, very odious. Then you frequently remind folks that if you do this, YOU will suffer. Every time!

Breaking rocks for the rest of your life for Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio would be a starting place. Between breaking rocks you are growing your own food. “No veggie, no eatie”.


40 posted on 04/22/2008 6:38:01 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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