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Ben Stein Exposes Richard Dawkins (Dawkins admits possibility of ID, Just Not God).
Townhall ^ | April 21, 2008 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 04/21/2008 7:23:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

In Ben Stein's new film "Expelled," there is a great scene where Richard Dawkins is going on about how evolution explains everything. This is part of Dawkins' grand claim, which echoes through several of his books, that evolution by itself has refuted the argument from design. The argument from design hold that the design of the universe and of life are most likely the product of an intelligent designer. Dawkins thinks that Darwin has disproven this argument.

So Stein puts to Dawkins a simple question, "How did life begin?" One would think that this is a question that could be easily answered. Dawkins, however, frankly admits that he has no idea. One might expect Dawkins to invoke evolution as the all-purpose explanation. Evolution, however, only explains transitions from one life form to another. Evolution has no explanation for how life got started in the first place. Darwin was very clear about this.

In order for evolution to take place, there had to be a living cell. The difficulty for atheists is that even this original cell is a work of labyrinthine complexity. Franklin Harold writes in The Way of the Cell that even the simplest cells are more ingeniously complicated than man's most elaborate inventions: the factory system or the computer. Moreover, Harold writes that the various components of the cell do not function like random widgets; rather, they work purposefully together, as if cooperating in a planned organized venture. Dawkins himself has described the cell as the kind of supercomputer, noting that it functions through an information system that resembles the software code.

Is it possible that living cells somehow assembled themselves from nonliving things by chance? The probabilities here are so infinitesimal that they approach zero. Moreover, the earth has been around for some 4.5 billion years and the first traces of life have already been found at some 3.5 billion years ago. This is just what we have discovered: it's quite possible that life existed on earth even earlier. What this means is that, within the scope of evolutionary time, life appeared on earth very quickly after the earth itself was formed. Is it reasonable to posit that a chance combination of atoms and molecules, under those conditions, somehow generated a living thing? Could the random collision of molecules somehow produce a computer?

It is ridiculously implausible to think so. And the absurdity was recognized more than a decade ago by Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the DNA double helix. Yet Crick is a committed atheist. Unwilling to consider the possibility of divine or supernatural creation, Crick suggested that maybe aliens brought life to earth from another planet. And this is precisely the suggestion that Richard Dawkins makes in his response to Ben Stein. Perhaps, he notes, life was delivered to our planet by highly-evolved aliens. Let's call this the "ET" explanation.

Stein brilliantly responds that he had no idea Richard Dawkins believes in intelligent design! And indeed Dawkins does seem to be saying that alien intelligence is responsible for life arriving on earth. What are we to make of this? Basically Dawkins is surrendering on the claim that evolution can account for the origins of life. It can't. The issue now is simply whether a natural intelligence (ET) or a supernatural intelligence (God) created life. Dawkins can't bear the supernatural explanation and so he opts for ET. But doesn't it take as much, or more, faith to believe in extraterrestrial biology majors depositing life on earth than it does to believe in a transcendent creator?


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KEYWORDS: benstein; dawkins; dineshdsouza; dsouza; expelled; franciscrick; intelligentdesign; moviereview; richarddawkins; stephenhawking
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1 posted on 04/21/2008 7:23:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Stein brilliantly responds that he had no idea Richard Dawkins believes in intelligent design! And indeed Dawkins does seem to be saying that alien intelligence is responsible for life arriving on earth. What are we to make of this?

... that you are misrepresenting what was said, of course. I saw the movie!

2 posted on 04/21/2008 7:27:16 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok, so maybe God created the Universe, and had a hand in creating the first lifeform, then He used Evolution to create all the life we have today.


3 posted on 04/21/2008 7:27:32 PM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Not only did Stein get this confession out of Dawkins, but in the interview Dawkins looked nervous, a bit confused, messy, touchy and unprepared.

And Stein was cool as a cuke.

Stein was lucky (or was it arranged by a Higher Power) that he got Dawkins on a bad day.

4 posted on 04/21/2008 7:29:00 PM PDT by what's up
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To: dr_lew

I got the impression he was talking about aliens, he said life could have been seeded here on earth.


5 posted on 04/21/2008 7:31:01 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dr_lew

I didn’t see the movie. So what you are saying is that this article is lying?


6 posted on 04/21/2008 7:33:48 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: SeekAndFind

If all the other scientists will concede that it’s possible that life on earth was designed and brought here by advanced aliens, will the arguments that scientists won’t give ID any consideration stop?


7 posted on 04/21/2008 7:35:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dr_lew
Dawkins does seem to be saying that alien intelligence is responsible for life arriving on earth.Then where did the aliens come from?
8 posted on 04/21/2008 7:36:08 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: what's up

But my favorite interview was with the “crystal” guy that thought Stein was a little on the slow side because he couldn’t quite comprehend the theory that life started on “the backs of crystals.” As he repeatedly reiterated the statement, and became more impatient with Stein made for a great film sequence.


9 posted on 04/21/2008 7:37:42 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

And, who created the aliens?


10 posted on 04/21/2008 7:38:46 PM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Dawkins said those that “seeded life here” (i.e. aliens in my book) must have come into being due to Darwinism on another planet.


11 posted on 04/21/2008 7:39:43 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: SeekAndFind

This was my “jaw dropping” moment in the movie. Dawkins the chief evolutionist admits that maybe life on earth came from aliens. Seeing this is worth the price of admission. SEE THIS MOVIE.


12 posted on 04/21/2008 7:41:23 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca
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To: SeekAndFind

So Dawkins and Crick do not believe in G.O.D. but they do believe in Xenu?


13 posted on 04/21/2008 7:43:19 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: SeekAndFind

Talk to the monolith.


14 posted on 04/21/2008 7:43:43 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Paradox
Ok, so maybe God created the Universe, and had a hand in creating the first lifeform, then He used Evolution to create all the life we have today.

Its hard to imagine God doing trial and error, but that is exactly the scenario you are contemplating. However, that is how humans create and we are, after all, created in His image. Hmmmmmmmmm.....

15 posted on 04/21/2008 7:46:17 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key)
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To: dawn53
Dawkins said those that “seeded life here” (i.e. aliens in my book) must have come into being due to Darwinism on another planet.

. Well, it wouldn't be Darwinism it would Beldarism or Primatism, or ?

16 posted on 04/21/2008 7:48:51 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key)
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To: SeekAndFind
The heart and soul of Dawkins’ belief is atheism, belief in evolution is just a side issue, a convenience.
His arrogant bias is so great that he considers those that disagree with him “ignorant, evil, insane’.
So far as I'm concerned he has nothing worthwhile to say.
17 posted on 04/21/2008 7:50:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: HerrBlucher
I know, I know.

18 posted on 04/21/2008 7:55:31 PM PDT by shineon
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To: Paradox
Ok, so maybe God created the Universe, and had a hand in creating the first lifeform, then He used Evolution to create all the life we have today.

God does not use broken tools.

19 posted on 04/21/2008 7:55:49 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: dr_lew
that you are misrepresenting what was said

What do you think was said?

20 posted on 04/21/2008 8:00:42 PM PDT by what's up
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