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1 posted on 04/21/2008 7:23:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Stein brilliantly responds that he had no idea Richard Dawkins believes in intelligent design! And indeed Dawkins does seem to be saying that alien intelligence is responsible for life arriving on earth. What are we to make of this?

... that you are misrepresenting what was said, of course. I saw the movie!

2 posted on 04/21/2008 7:27:16 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok, so maybe God created the Universe, and had a hand in creating the first lifeform, then He used Evolution to create all the life we have today.


3 posted on 04/21/2008 7:27:32 PM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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Not only did Stein get this confession out of Dawkins, but in the interview Dawkins looked nervous, a bit confused, messy, touchy and unprepared.

And Stein was cool as a cuke.

Stein was lucky (or was it arranged by a Higher Power) that he got Dawkins on a bad day.

4 posted on 04/21/2008 7:29:00 PM PDT by what's up
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If all the other scientists will concede that it’s possible that life on earth was designed and brought here by advanced aliens, will the arguments that scientists won’t give ID any consideration stop?


7 posted on 04/21/2008 7:35:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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This was my “jaw dropping” moment in the movie. Dawkins the chief evolutionist admits that maybe life on earth came from aliens. Seeing this is worth the price of admission. SEE THIS MOVIE.


12 posted on 04/21/2008 7:41:23 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca
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So Dawkins and Crick do not believe in G.O.D. but they do believe in Xenu?


13 posted on 04/21/2008 7:43:19 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: SeekAndFind

Talk to the monolith.


14 posted on 04/21/2008 7:43:43 PM PDT by sinanju
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The heart and soul of Dawkins’ belief is atheism, belief in evolution is just a side issue, a convenience.
His arrogant bias is so great that he considers those that disagree with him “ignorant, evil, insane’.
So far as I'm concerned he has nothing worthwhile to say.
17 posted on 04/21/2008 7:50:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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So then; Primates eventually evolved to invent God.. as an Intelligent Designer.. but Dawkins devolved to some previous unevolved state to think ALIENS DID IT..

You know... the aliens that there is absolutely zero proof of..
Dawkins is about as sharp as a bowling ball- Foghorn Leghorn..

23 posted on 04/21/2008 8:11:39 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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I love Stein but this is a hollow victory. Dawkins is not very bright. Seriously. He's just not that intelligent.

It would be like Alan Keyes arguing Christianity with Fred Phelps.....Keyes would rip him a new one.

30 posted on 04/21/2008 8:25:18 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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"Wow..."

37 posted on 04/21/2008 8:54:16 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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"The survey SAYS...."


41 posted on 04/21/2008 9:03:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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The probabilities here are so infinitesimal that they approach zero. Moreover, the earth has been around for some 4.5 billion years and the first traces of life have already been found at some 3.5 billion years ago. This is just what we have discovered: it's quite possible that life existed on earth even earlier. What this means is that, within the scope of evolutionary time, life appeared on earth very quickly after the earth itself was formed.

Since when is 1 BILLION years considered quick?

Here's my point of view. I'll go ahead an add the disclaimer that I'm an atheist. (But unlike typical atheists like Dawkins, I have no problem with people who believe in a religion. Everyone has their own way of dealing with the stresses of life, and religion seems to work well for the majority of people, just not me. To each his own.)

There seem to be two major camps in the intelligent design or creationist crowd. One claims that everything came developed the way that science has hypothesized, but it was started by God. Of course, since God is all knowing, he knew full well what the end result would be. I've always heard these people called Old Earth Creationists (OEC.) The other claims that everything was created exactly as described in the bible, about 6000 years ago. This camp would be the Young Earth Creationists, or YEC.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with the OEC point of view. I may differ with them on our beliefs of how it all started, but we seem to agree on what happened after that initial spark.

On the other hand, there are the YECs. I cannot even begin to fathom how they believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old. After a significant amount of research, I think I've figured out the problem. The idea that the Earth is very young is refuted over and over by carbon dating. Yet the YECs seem to deny this. The only argument I've EVER heard from the YEC side is that carbon dating doesn't exist. They don't provide any evidence, not even a basic attempt at a thought experiment. They simply state that it doesn't exist. I once watched a three and a half hour video of a lecture given by a YEC, and he spent about 7 words on this major flaw in his argument. All he said was, "And carbon dating, well, that doesn't exist."

Until someone can show me even a scrap of evidence that carbon dating is false, I will never understand the Young Earth Creationist point of view.

PS. About the whole alien thing. As others have pointed out, this theory suffers one major flaw: where did the aliens come from? Sure, there might be a very small chance that life on Earth was placed here by aliens, but that seems a little far fetched to me. And of course it still doesn't answer the question of how life comes into being from non-life, which is the major question that everyone is trying to answer.

45 posted on 04/21/2008 9:11:58 PM PDT by ericc4
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The difficulty for atheists

I get to stop reading right there with the bringing out of the big atheist boogeyman. What will follow will inevitably be crap.

62 posted on 04/21/2008 9:46:55 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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So Stein puts to Dawkins a simple question, “How did life begin? .... Dawkins, however, frankly admits that he has no idea. “

So what if Dawkins has no idea? Does that make him dishonest? Why should Dawkins be reluctant to “admit” that he has no idea of how life began. Dawkins is a scientist. Science by definition only accepts evidence that can be observed by the senses. So speaking as a scientist, Dawkins does not believe that there is sufficient “sensible” evidence for the biblical creation story or for the “intelligent alien” theory to form a compelling scientific explanation for the introducion of life on this planet, even though he may be “forced to admit “ the possibility that this is what occurred.

The scientific method has saved humanity from starvation, has brought prosperity to the many and has allowed ordinary people to travel the world in almost perfect safety, and is on the verge of curing cancer. But due to political chicanery, science of late has been deemphasized in our schools. I’m all for religious discussion in schools. But it is anti-educational when a faith based theory is presented to kids in the guise of a “science.”


73 posted on 04/21/2008 11:09:25 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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"Moreover, the earth has been around for some 4.5 billion years and the first traces of life have already been found at some 3.5 billion years ago. This is just what we have discovered: it's quite possible that life existed on earth even earlier. What this means is that, within the scope of evolutionary time, life appeared on earth very quickly after the earth itself was formed."

Not so. Life could have come to Earth from elsewhere in the universe, either by accident or by intention.

By accident, life could have evolved over billions of years elsewhere in the universe, and then landed on Earth via a meteor or comet or some other natural delivery.

By intention, life on Earth could have been brought here by an intelligent species of aliens.

The article's assumption that life must have come into being on Earth is flawed. Therefore, the argument that there was such a short period of time for life to form by natural causes, and that therefore it's improbable that life formed by natural causes, is also flawed.
82 posted on 04/22/2008 3:44:18 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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the mystery is ended.

life was created by the first brilliant, all-knowing, light-giving, insightful, liberal, as he always existed. he decided to create the human animals around him and manipulate time so that it seems as if his animal creations were based upon evolution over “billions of years”.

if you ask liberals in congress, they will admit to being superior beings and quite capable of performing miracles.

they do have all the answers dontcha know.


84 posted on 04/22/2008 4:31:06 AM PDT by ripley
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Who created the E.T.s?


94 posted on 04/22/2008 6:13:38 AM PDT by Hatteras
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D’Souza’s book, “What’s So Great About Christianity?” is a very good read.


106 posted on 04/22/2008 7:59:12 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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"Stein brilliantly responds that he had no idea Richard Dawkins believes in intelligent design! And indeed Dawkins does seem to be saying that alien intelligence is responsible for life arriving on earth. What are we to make of this? "

It means that atheist Darwinians can still fornicate or masturbate without moral anxiety if there is a lizard god from outer space. And that they are comfortable with the idea of ET Reptilian ancestry a la the Nephalim, minus the Judaeo-Christian the Bible.

Let's call this the ancient astronaut ID hypothesis. Maybe there's a sequel there - the esoteric, New Age, and ET theories of crackpot Darwinian atheists.

123 posted on 04/22/2008 11:21:34 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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