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1 posted on 04/21/2008 10:55:01 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Now this is gonna be interesting.


2 posted on 04/21/2008 10:56:02 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gee...maybe its because there are only a handful of those assets left.


4 posted on 04/21/2008 10:58:50 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Those of us in the US Army never had a problem with the Chair Force. Whenever we had a mission to run they were always happy to give us a ride. They also serve the best box lunches.


5 posted on 04/21/2008 10:58:55 AM PDT by infantrywhooah
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is a perfect example why Clinton or Obama shouldn’t be President of the U.S. The military, in general, would not trust them. They wouldn’t respond to anything they wanted to do. There’s a lot the military can do to thwart a direct order from the President if they don’t trust the person or have little or no respect for them. Would you go into a battle, like Somalia, under another Clinton?


6 posted on 04/21/2008 10:59:36 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m puzzled by this very public smackdown of one of the service branches.

This is a very serious criticism, and it is unusual for it to be levelled on the USAF’s home turf in such a public fashion.

There must be steam coming out of certain offices in the Pentagon right about now.


9 posted on 04/21/2008 11:08:13 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Real pilots” resent having to fly the toys. They can’t log time in their little book to qualify for those cushy airline jobs.

Plus, it is a real pain to get decent tee-times in Iraq-a-stan, and good caddies are real hard to find.


10 posted on 04/21/2008 11:09:00 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Funny, the AF has been on war footing over Iraq since 1991. Enforcing all those no fly zones over the years has worn out our fleet.


11 posted on 04/21/2008 11:10:25 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gosh, did he really have to go to the press with this? I mean couldn’t he just go to the Secretary of the Air Force and find out what more they can do. I am not in the Air Force but this seems piss poor to me. I would be pretty upset if he did this to the Navy.


13 posted on 04/21/2008 11:20:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Any chance this was a pre-emptive smackdown against another election-year campaign on Capitol Hill by the USAF for more F-22s?


17 posted on 04/21/2008 11:24:15 AM PDT by paddles
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Related Thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2004712/posts

18 posted on 04/21/2008 11:25:02 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

First you are going to have to get the pilots out of the bars and off the golf courses. If you want them to fight tell them that a golf course is in danger, they will defend it to the very end. I have two very close friends (AF pilots) that recently retired and both have a handicap in the low single digits.


19 posted on 04/21/2008 11:26:01 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The great irony of this story is that this is the second Bush Secretary of Defense to have a run-in with one of the services. Remember the stories about how Donald Rumsfield hated the Army? It seems the Navy/Marine Corps are the only two services that can perform up to standard.
22 posted on 04/21/2008 11:45:35 AM PDT by quadrant
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This Air Force Pilot is not impressed. He is listening to Army folks who have failed in their ISR management and is now balming the USAF on it.

I resent that he pokes the USAF int he eye at Maxwell. Some inspiring leader when you have that happen.


23 posted on 04/21/2008 11:47:25 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, if Gates was an officer in any branch of the military, there once was a good rule to live by:

Praise in Public!

Criticize in Private!

He’s the freakin’ SecDef for crying out loud! He could have come down on the AF CS during a staff meeting and given the AF a whatfor by when.

Using the press, is only going to make it worse. Did Gates ever ask why the AF couldn’t provide assets for recon??? Did he ask how he as the SecDef could expedite their needed actions? There are a lot of things Gates could have asked and done before going public, but remember Gates is a Democrat and its an election year too....


24 posted on 04/21/2008 11:49:22 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is not the first time he has called out the AF on this issue. This is reminiscent of the situation in the early 1960s when the AF would not supply sufficient ground support to the army.


26 posted on 04/21/2008 12:00:03 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Monday the Air Force is not doing enough to help in the Iraq and Afghanistan war effort, complaining that some military leaders are "stuck in old ways of doing business."

Gates said in a speech at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., that getting the Air Force to send more surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft to Iraq and Afghanistan has been "like pulling teeth."

Doesn't the Secretary of Defense have the authority to do something about it rather than complain that "it's hard to get them to cooperate"?

31 posted on 04/21/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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Just let some MARINE aviators “borrow” a few of the Air Force’s planes.


39 posted on 04/21/2008 3:36:54 PM PDT by PhillyRepublican
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If the Air force is not doing enough for the war effort is that not the fault of the Secretary of Defense? I mean is he in charge or not?


44 posted on 04/21/2008 5:46:26 PM PDT by kempo (H)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I just thought the AF was running out of targets.


45 posted on 04/21/2008 5:53:59 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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OTOH...

UAVs Earning Their Keep In Sadr City Battles, al-Qaeda Still Taking A Beating
Strata Sphere | Monday, April 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm. | AJStrata
Posted on 04/21/2008 4:35:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Thanks Ernest.


46 posted on 04/21/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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