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Could 'Honest Abe' be a Tar Heel?
Raleigh News and Observer ^ | Apr 20, 2008 | Matt Ehlers

Posted on 04/21/2008 9:32:59 AM PDT by Between the Lines

BOSTIC - For a man with "Honest Abe" as his nickname, there are plenty of Abraham Lincoln stories that may be anything but.

Lincoln did not compose the Gettysburg Address on the back of an envelope. No one really knows whether the store clerk Lincoln walked six miles to return 3 cents he overcharged. And his wife wasn't a Confederate spy.

Now this small town in Western North Carolina is pressing its own claim: Lincoln was a Tar Heel.

According to a tale that locals swear is true: The 16th president of the United States wasn't born in Kentucky, as commonly thought, but in Bostic to a young, unwed mother.

This month, Bostic officially opened its Lincoln Center, an old, city-owned train depot refurbished with $20,000 raised through contributions.

Inside the center, the fresh white walls feature a photo quilt that tells the North Carolina birth story. There are panels that show the Concord Baptist Church, where Lincoln's mother is said to have been a member, as well as a community meeting in the 1920s that took place on Lincoln Hill. The picture shows a few dozen people standing near a pile of rocks, the remains of the cabin where Lincoln is said to have been born.

"We're trying to put together the only way these people had of preserving these truths -- to tell them," said Keith Price, president of the Bostic Lincoln Center.

Despite the Bostic tale solidifying into bricks and mortar, Lincoln scholars say it has no substance.

"This is a lot of hokum," said Allen Guelzo, director of the Civil War era studies program at Gettysburg College.

Organizers of the Lincoln Center acknowledge that the pieces of the birth story don't fit neatly together. One problem is that various versions name three different fathers.

The center's storyboards cite a long-legged businessman named Abraham Enloe as one of the possible fathers. They also speculate about John C. Calhoun, the powerful South Carolina politician who served as vice president. And there's a local man named Richard Martin.

To untangle the paternal confusion, the folks behind the center are taking up a petition to press the federal government for a DNA test.

It could prove the Bostic story. Well, one of them, at least.

'The truthful traditions'

Price refers to the Bostic story as "the truthful traditions in this area," and dismisses the history-book version as "some supposed beginning in Kentucky."

A retired contractor with a friendly, conversational nature, Price sums up the community's story like this:

Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks, was born in Virginia and moved to her uncle's home in Gaston County before being "bound out for raising" at age 8 or 10. She was sent to the Enloe family of Rutherford County because her mother could not care for her.

Hanks became pregnant as a teenager. The father could have been Abraham Enloe, the head of the household in which she was reared, Martin or Calhoun (based on the story that Enloe took Nancy to visit South Carolina relatives).

She gave birth in the cabin outside Bostic around 1804. She later moved to Kentucky and married Tom Lincoln, the man Abraham assumed was his father.

The illegitimate birth, coupled with Lincoln's Republican politics, gave his family, and the Democrats in the area, reasons to cover up the story, Price said.

Bostic's Lincoln supporters draw much of their energy from a couple of old books. One of them, "The Genesis of Lincoln," was originally published in 1899. Author James Cathey made his case by collecting stories from people who remembered Nancy and her baby. In addition, there are people living today who remember Nancy Hanks' name on the church rolls of Concord Baptist Church. The records burned in a fire.

Lydia Clontz, vice president of the Bostic Lincoln Center, acknowledges the storytelling tradition in her part of the state and the tendency toward tale-telling.

She said a story passed from generation to generation "might be embellished a little bit. It might be changed a little bit. But there's always a grain of truth running through the whole thing."

As for the Lincoln tale, she said, "Now we might not be able to say that we've got this proof or that proof, because these people are all dead now."

The history books

The textbook version of Lincoln's origins goes like this:

Hanks was born in Virginia. She later moved to Kentucky, married Tom Lincoln and gave birth to Abraham in 1809.

Historians base the family's Kentucky timeline on court, tax and marriage records, said Sandy Brue, chief of operations for the Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historic Site in LaRue County.

Lincoln himself on multiple occasions acknowledged his Kentucky roots, said Guelzo, the Gettysburg professor. His 1809 birth date is found in a family Bible as well.

Price doesn't think the records are accurate. He says Lincoln recorded his own birth date in the Bible.

Frank J. Williams is a Lincoln scholar and chief justice of the Rhode Island Supreme Court. He has amassed more than 12,000 books on Lincoln and the Civil War. An avid collector of what is called "Lincolniana," Williams owns a signed copy of the Lincoln-Douglas debates, various legal pleadings in Lincoln's name and even a bust of Lincoln molded from chewing gum. ("Can anything be more ridiculous than that?" he asked.)

Williams becomes incredulous at the suggestion that Lincoln was born in Rutherford County.

"I am a lawyer and a judge and a historian. I've spent my whole life trying to seek the truth, or discern the truth," he said. "There's just no probative evidence of the Enloe-Lincoln connection. None! None!"

Guelzo takes it a bit further.

"Give them the phone number and the Web site of the various Lee Harvey Oswald organizations in Dallas who stand around on the grassy knoll handing out little pamphlets, indicting the mafia and the CIA. Have them call Oliver Stone. He ought to be good for this."

A DNA quest

Guelzo thinks the Lincoln paternity debates arise from the same feelings that for some have put William Shakespeare's paternity in doubt: the idea that someone so great could spring from such humble beginnings.

Put Price in that camp. He uses the word "shiftless" to describe Tom Lincoln.

"I don't want to demean somebody I've never met, but every description we've had of him, he's a little fireplug Irishman," he said. "He was a second-class muleskinner."

Price thinks Calhoun fathered Lincoln, and he wants a DNA test to prove it. The federal government owns Lincoln bone fragments.

"We don't need it for proof. But the world does," Price said. "We're trying to get at the truth, and that's what any good historian would do."

Guelzo doesn't think a DNA test is necessary.

"For the purpose of what? What great issue is at stake here? And what great evidence have people been able to produce to mandate such a drastic test? If that's the case, I should be demanding a DNA test to show whether I'm related to Abraham Lincoln."

For his part, Price is more concerned about having the test done, not proving his own theory on Calhoun's paternity.

"If it turns out he was fathered by a Chinese sailor out of Charleston or something, so be it. We know where he was born."

If they can prove it to the world, the community might profit.

"It doesn't take any Ouija board or crystal ball" to know that tourist dollars will come, said Price, who emphasizes that history, not economics, drives his quest.

On Lincoln Hill

Today, there are a lot fewer stones on Lincoln Hill. The rocks are what's left of the home's chimney and cellar, said Price, who likes to say that quite a few stone doorstops in Rutherford County came from Lincoln Hill.

After the Lincoln Center's grand opening, Price ferried visitors up the hill in a van borrowed from his church.

The hill is on the banks of picturesque Puzzle Creek, up a short dirt road and then a path marked with orange ribbons tied around the trees.

On the hill, near the rock pile and a big hole that Price said once served as the cellar, he told his version of the story. The dozen or so people along for the ride listened closely.

An older woman in the group asked Price about a man who looked like Lincoln and used to walk in nearby Forest City. She wondered whether he might be related.

Price said he doesn't know of him.

It doesn't matter anyway, she said. He died.

Unlike this story, which probably never will.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bastard; despot; dishonestabe; tyrant; tyrantdespot; warcriminal
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To: wideawake
Good points about the railroads. I believe it was about 1882(ish) that the 35th Parallel line was completed. (Needles to Mojave was the last leg. Presently operated by BNSF but built by Southern Pacific)

The Ives Expedition surveyed it out about 1855 or so?

61 posted on 04/22/2008 11:48:17 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: investigateworld
The Ives Expedition surveyed it out about 1855 or so?

Good memory - it was 1857. That really is a neat little chapter of US history.

62 posted on 04/22/2008 11:52:16 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
I thought the collapsible boats across the Colorado River was a slick trick.

Southern Pacific supplied the telegraph pole that was used in the first lynching in the county.

63 posted on 04/22/2008 11:55:12 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: wideawake
They had no economic interest in war:

Bankers and businessmen had no economic interest in the conflict? Now I've heard it all.

64 posted on 04/22/2008 12:02:26 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: wideawake; BitBucket

And as I recall, after he became successful in Springfield, he loaned his father a good sum of money.


65 posted on 04/22/2008 12:08:12 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: stainlessbanner
Bankers and businessmen had no economic interest in the conflict? Now I've heard it all.

Bankers and railroad magnates had more to gain from peace and war.

I did not say all businessmen: after all, there are some businesses that can always profit from warfare: munitions companies, equipment companies etc. Cannon manufacturers were quite happy.

But bankers prefer low risk and high returns.

There is no riskier situation than war for lenders. Not only does the rate of default on debt skyrocket in wartime, but the value of currency often declines as well.

Moreover, war interrupts commerce between the warring parties (bad for railroads and shipping), creates sabotage (bad for railroads) and usually involves government commandeering of resources at below-market prices (bad for railroads).

66 posted on 04/22/2008 12:10:50 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: stainlessbanner

My apologies - “peace than war” not “peace and war.”


67 posted on 04/22/2008 12:13:32 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; Froufrou; avacado
I suspect all lenders hate 'risk' unless there is major compensation for same.

Recall that the Federal Gov required the losing states to repudiate all debts that were used to finance the CW. (Now off to IHOP)

68 posted on 04/22/2008 12:29:48 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: investigateworld
Recall that the Federal Gov required the losing states to repudiate all debts that were used to finance the CW

The majority of such debts were "patriotic" loans made to the CSA by people who considered themselves citizens of the CSA.

As far as they were concerned, they were making a donation to the cause, and any repayment would have been an unexpected bonus.

The 14th Amendment made sure that no tax revenue was funneled to such individuals under color of the states repaying such loans - because such claims began rolling in in the months after the surrender of the Army Of Tennessee.

69 posted on 04/22/2008 12:41:33 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: varina davis
And you are sadly misinformed and under educated. It was the CSA that reinforced the Constitution, the advice of Thomas Jefferson and many other early patriots.

Too bad Davis didn't see fit to be bound by the reb constitution when push came to shove. Talk was cheap when it came to the Confederates.

Lincoln was at the mercy of usual suspects, the railroad and banking magnates and their desire for encompassing power over the existing and future states.

And Davis was at the mercy of people who believed that humans as property was a good thing and their desire to spread slavery over the existing and future states.

70 posted on 04/22/2008 1:00:11 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: wideawake

Your reply does not surprise me. Your role as a Union apologist was undoubtedly reinforced by your government revisionist schooling.

I simply don’t have time to correct your lack of education, so I’ll hope you have time to catch up on your reading about The War Between the States — from both sides of that Late Unpleasantness.


71 posted on 04/22/2008 2:11:45 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Between the Lines
"This is a lot of hokum," said Allen Guelzo, director of the Civil War era studies program at Gettysburg College.

"Bunkum" would have been a better word. Or simply "Bunk." It comes from a congressman who began every speech saying that he spoke for the people of Buncombe County (North Carolina).

People assumed that Lincoln couldn't have been born to humble parents, and that Tom Lincoln's people were quite humble.

The first assumption is questionable. It reflects the class prejudices of the day.

As for the second, the Lincolns had gone through ups and downs in over a century of westward movements. They were quite prosperous a century before when they lived in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Moving west had made them rough on the edges.

Also there's a love for the illegitimacy angle. Either because it discredits Lincoln or because it's romantic. But why should an illegitimate ancestor shame an illustrious descendant? And if you think illegitimacy is romantic, you can still speculate about Lincoln's mother's family, the Hankses, about whom little is known.

72 posted on 04/22/2008 3:34:29 PM PDT by x
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To: investigateworld

Risk is minimal that you won’t get Rooty Tooty compensated?

The people who really hate risk are the insurance people. Never mind that’s what they’re in business for...


73 posted on 04/22/2008 4:03:53 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: x
And if you think illegitimacy is romantic, you can still speculate about Lincoln's mother's family, the Hankses, about whom little is known.

Trace back far enough, and we are all 'romantics.' ;~))

74 posted on 04/22/2008 6:42:47 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: varina davis
...the advice of Thomas Jefferson...

Thomas Jefferson sure didn't see eye to eye with the Confederates.

It was Lincoln who was the disciple of Jefferson, not the Confederates who rejected all that Jefferson stood for.

The new constitution [Confederate States of America] has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted.

The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition.

This, our new government,[Confederate States of America] is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

-- Alexander Stevens, Vice President, Confederate States of America.

75 posted on 04/22/2008 7:25:48 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: varina davis
Your reply does not surprise me.

If it didn't, then you would be able to rationally answer my argument.

Your role as a Union apologist

I proudly plead the case of the United States against all historical and contemporary enemies, foreign and domestic.

If you denigrate me for defending the USA, what country do you represent?

was undoubtedly reinforced by your government revisionist schooling.

I have never spent a day as a student in a government school. I was privately educated from my first day of pre-kindergarten to my last day of graduate school.

I simply don’t have time to correct your lack of education,

Another weak answer by a person who is demonstrably unqualified to comment on anyone else's education.

The South was both legally and morally wrong in attempting to secede and the federal government was both legally and morally obligated to prevent secession.

The only side that was economically motivated to initiate war was the slave state coalition, since their primary motivation was to open new markets for human flesh.

Free state entrepreneurs, on the whole, stood to lose substantially from war - which is why the bulk of US business interests supported the Peace Democrats and backed a McClellan presidential candidacy in 1864, and why US banking interests privately negotiated with New York City mayor Fernando Wood to declare neutrality.

76 posted on 04/23/2008 7:39:40 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Ditto
Excellent post.

Stephens, Rhett, Atchison, Toombs - and even their ideological godfather Calhoun - advocated an ideology specifically based on race, not on universal natural rights like Jefferson, Washington and Franklin.

The whole notion of "states rights" (an oxymoron) was a fig leaf. Just try and get a single apologist for the Confederacy to delineate which specific "rights" of any of the slave states were being violated by the federal government.

They have no concrete answer - just vague generalities.

77 posted on 04/23/2008 8:01:27 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
"...and why US banking interests privately negotiated with New York City mayor Fernando Wood to declare neutrality."

And why Fernando Wood and his brother instigated the so-called New York "draft riots" of 1863 in a desperate attempt to save the investments of the New York bankers in the slave economy.

Those riots were every bit as orchestrated as the Chicago convention riots of a 105 years later were.

There is nothing new in history.

78 posted on 04/23/2008 7:11:33 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Ditto
And why Fernando Wood and his brother instigated the so-called New York "draft riots" of 1863 in a desperate attempt to save the investments of the New York bankers in the slave economy.

Hey, Ditto. What you say might be true. Could you provide some backup for your statement?

79 posted on 04/26/2008 9:46:38 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Some links to the Draft riots. The Wood brothers had a long history of whiping up mobs to do their bidding.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/remembering-the-draft-riots/

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/remembering-the-draft-riots/

80 posted on 04/28/2008 8:43:36 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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