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No Blood for Oil???
New York Post/Drudge Report ^ | April 21, 2008 | By JOSH GERSTEIN

Posted on 04/21/2008 8:38:09 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild

Many parts of America, long considered the breadbasket of the world, are now confronting a once unthinkable phenomenon: food rationing. Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks.

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KEYWORDS: food; gasprices; oil
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To: subterfuge

And you say some pretty crude stuff.


21 posted on 04/21/2008 9:26:18 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Fully agree, but include wealth transfers to corn States and to oil producers from Venezuela to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia.
We ruin our currency, boost unemployment, inflation, but increase Dem voters since poverty swells their ranks.
This wealth transfer to both the ethanol growing States and the Hugo Chavez's, Putins, Ahmadinejad’s of this world is at the core of America's lack of competitiveness versus China and India.
Reid and Pelosi calculated in their interest when using this global warming horse of growing ethanol instead of food besides blocking domestic oil drilling to pick up poverty votes.
22 posted on 04/21/2008 9:26:54 AM PDT by hermgem (Will Olmr)
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To: stuartcr
"On the same note, you could say that anyone that thought we went there for any other reason, is a fool also."

Did you have a point, or are you just driveby posting?

23 posted on 04/21/2008 9:34:29 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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To: LDO4CNO
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but....this is exactly why they picked corn, instead of sugar cane which is easier, i.e. cheaper to convert, they wanted it to fail all along.

The climate in the majority of the United States isn't good for growing sugar cane. For Brazil, using sugar cane makes far more sense. For the US, it may make sense in some areas, but not most of the country.

Using corn doesn't make a huge amount of sense either because of the poor yield, but ethanol is being forced on us before the technology to produce it efficiently is ready. Those why are trying to gain wealth or power though pushing the global warming scare on us, aren't willing to wait until it is economically viable.

My farmer brother-in-law told me it wouldn't work 10 years ago when they first started looking into it!

It wasn't viable at all ten years ago. It is only marginally viable now, when heavily subsidized.

If making ethanol from cellulose become commercially viable, then it may actually be a viable fuel source, but in that case, corn isn't likely to be the best crop.

Making ethanol from corn might have been reasonable in order to test out and develop the technology to use and distribute it. It might have even found a market with people who are willing to pay a large price premium because they place additional value on using ethanol as fuel. Consider the number of early adopters of hybrids before they were economically viable.

However, right now the corn ethanol production capacity is growing far faster than demand, and the producers faith that the government would bail them out with subsidies may have been misplaced because of the rising costs of food.

However, if ethanol from cellulose becomes viable the current ethanol producers might be positioned to take advantage of that boom, if they survive that long.

24 posted on 04/21/2008 10:08:45 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

I haven’t seen any rationing here yet? Might just be confined to the cities? I have about 35# of assorted flours in the freezer but that is something that I keep most of the time because I use so much it’s cheaper to buy it that way.


25 posted on 04/21/2008 10:09:06 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba; All
I'm not saying the United States is going to starve any time soon. If we had to live off beans, soy and other vegetables, we'd still be light years ahead of those who will suffer the most.

I will not entertain for one minute that any of you or any American would allow huge populations in third world countries starve. But it is always the weakest who suffer most. This turning the economies of the world on their heads is going to have massive repercussions. This must be addressed by all of us. It's time the “adults in the room” started speaking up. The “children” have gotten the idea they know better. Far, far left-wing individuals are trying to up-end currencies, up-end governments, collapse societies (have profitted hugely from it) and are leaving thousands wanting in their wake.

Just stand up and be the adult in the room. Just say, “No.”

26 posted on 04/21/2008 10:32:23 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Cicero
"That we have to do it for oil, unless we want our country to get screwed."

I don't think we have the will to do anything other than allow our economy and then the country to be destroyed. We are suicidal IMO. If we weren't, ordinary people would have risen up and demanded that our gov't STOP placing our resources off limits to our use a long time ago. It may be already too late if people took to the streets and started melting the phone lines of our elected officials tomorrow. Most sheeple don't have a clue about what is being done to them in the name of a cleaner environment. In fact, they are so dumbed down, they think it's a good idea and will never figure out what happened after the s--t hits the fan.

27 posted on 04/21/2008 12:02:00 PM PDT by penowa
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To: cake_crumb

Both


28 posted on 04/21/2008 12:07:38 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Blood for rice

Blood for beans


29 posted on 04/21/2008 12:08:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: hermgem
"poverty votes"

Gonna be a bunch more of them here even before importing them from 3rd world countries.

30 posted on 04/21/2008 12:10:10 PM PDT by penowa
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To: untrained skeptic
A lot of the U.S. can grow cane, esp. the gulf coast, Florida, Guam, Puerto Rico, Hawaii.
Hemp, which would grow like a...wait for it...weed in the southwest is another great source.
31 posted on 04/21/2008 1:21:45 PM PDT by LDO4CNO
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To: LDO4CNO
A lot of the U.S. can grow cane, esp. the gulf coast, Florida, Guam, Puerto Rico, Hawaii.

I don't know much about growing sugar cane. However, from what I understand, transporting and distributing ethanol is rather expensive because it is more corrosive than gasoline, and existing pipelines can't handle it.

You could ship the sugar to the ethanol plants, but that is going to be expensive as well if they are far away from where it is produced.

Making ethanol from sugar for use in Florida might make sense, but I think it's going to make less sense as you get farther from where you can grow sugar cane.

Hemp, which would grow like a...wait for it...weed in the southwest is another great source.

Is hemp a good source of fermentable sugars, or is it a good source for cellulose which would work once we have developed a good way to commercially produce ethanol from cellulose? I wouldn't think that hemp is that high in sugar content.

32 posted on 04/21/2008 1:38:54 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: LDO4CNO
Sorry, Hemp would be a cellulose source of course and is growable in areas that wouldn't reduce the grain yield.
33 posted on 04/21/2008 1:47:10 PM PDT by LDO4CNO
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