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I have not seen this, and I think it is needed.

I welcome references from the Bible and Torah on this thread...

1 posted on 04/19/2008 10:30:30 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher

While not wanting to offend Freepers, this is a somewhat insulting idea to many other Freepers who don’t mix their religious doctrine with the dirty world of Federal politics.

I pray that McCain isn’t as much of a two bit snake oil carnival barker that he has shown himself to be over the last 12 years, that he finds God and nukes those damn Iranians, and he stops feeding the starving children of Gaza until the psychopaths in Hamas are destroyed, I pray that SCHIP isn’t expanded in the name of limited self government, and pray that hundreds of thousands of children don’t go without medical care because of it, I pray that Jon Corzine pushes through a nuclear plant in New Jersey, and pray that there aren’t any heathens like that guy from Minnesota reelected, and I pray that the Supreme Court reserves the natural born rights of men to defend themselves by any means they can carry in their two hands, I pray that the border fence is erected so all those poor people can’t invade our God given country, i pray that Mugabe and his 4000 closest associates die of starvation and torture, I pray that earmarks in the Senate don’t promote speech I object to....

Yeah, so why mix such as those two with a daily thread, it can only be bound toward lowest common denominator idiocy over the long term.


2 posted on 04/19/2008 10:39:43 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values -- he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

You lost me in the first paragraph.

Either you are ignorant, mis-informed, or just plain lying.

His campaign finance reform bill, McCain-Fiengold, was about shutting down Pro-Life groups and groups like the NRA by limiting thier free-speech activities during the 60 days leading up to an election.

This was not a conservative bill, even Fred Thompson (one of the original sponsors of the bill), stated last year that the bill as enacted was a failure and needed to be repealed and replace with simple 24 hour reporting.

Don't pass off this monstrosity as something that is conservative.

And claiming that somehow McCain is a conservative is like putting lip-stick on a pig!
3 posted on 04/19/2008 10:45:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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Furthermore,

McCain's History:

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush's best judges from being presented for a vote)
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life groups and Gun-rights groups)
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including carbo cap and trade system.
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe
8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
10. C- grade from NRA.
11. 60% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
13. Voted against President Bush's tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.

4 posted on 04/19/2008 10:47:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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Topher, sorry to see you got some hostile responses right away. I think what you’re getting at here is that we need to pray for our country, and specifically that God will intervene to help us elect moral, responsible leaders. McCain is not really the issue.

For those who believe in God, let’s recognize that blogging, writing letters, calling Congress, voting and campaigning are not enough to ensure the continued prosperity and goodness of our nation. WE NEED PRAYER.

Our country is rejecting God through abortion, the desecration of the family, and moral relativism. We need to ask God for his mercy and protection, and that the election will yield results in accordance with his Divine will.

Jesus, we trust in Thee, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, patroness of the Americas, pray for us.
O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.


5 posted on 04/19/2008 10:53:40 PM PDT by baa39 ("God bless America" - Pope Benedict XVI, April 16, 2008)
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I will join you in prayer, continuing to pray for our nation even as my Fathers did before me. If it was right for George Washington and George Patton to pray for this country, then it is still right to pray for our nation now...

Regardless of who is in the White House, God is still God - and we are still one nation, under God.


6 posted on 04/19/2008 10:57:58 PM PDT by dandelion
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Some of us may smear some skunk oil under our noses and vote for the man to keep the riff raff out.

A Conservative, he’s not.


7 posted on 04/19/2008 10:58:19 PM PDT by papasmurf (Unless I post a link to resource, what I post is opinion, regardless of how I spin it.)
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God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops.


10 posted on 04/19/2008 11:12:10 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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“But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values — he has fought for campaign finance reform — getting big money out of politics.
This should allow the little guy (or gal) more voice in what this country is doing”

Only someone completely ignorant or completely delusional as to what CFR really is would make that claim. McCain is a disgrace and worthy of contempt, not prayers.


11 posted on 04/19/2008 11:21:13 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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I will go on record right now that I will fight the idea or a McCain day in prayer thread tooth and nail.

If someone wants to start a pray for the nation thread, I’m all for it.

The idolitry that has taken place on this forum over the last eight years has offended me intensely. Shrines to one person on this forum are offensive to the max.

If someone wants to start a shrine to an individual, I support them doing that on their own site, or participating on someone elses.

Christians, I have no problem with you praying for McCain at home. I encourage it. Starting a praise McCain thread here is an idea whose time crashed to the ground for the last eight years.

Never again IMO! Never!


12 posted on 04/19/2008 11:28:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It doesn't matter he isn't conservative. Now it doesn't matter if it's not Constitutional.)
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To John McCain and the rest of you RINOs... You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you can say to yourselves, “We have Ronald Reagan as the father of our movement”... The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good conservative fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.


13 posted on 04/19/2008 11:29:59 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (How many of your civil rights & liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to vote (R))
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But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values

He has betrayed conservative values at every step of the way. He is no conservative. he is against conservatives and especially Socons, who you now ask to pray for him. I will pray for his soul, but I will pray every day (right on these threads) that the good Lord sees fit to keep this treasonous, traitorous, unprincipled, self serving jerk out of the oval office forever.

he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

Yeah, right. McCain-Feingold serves to keep CHRISTIANS from influencing elections.

But of course, it needn't apply to McCain and his scurrilous cohorts:

FR: "New McCain Fund Gets Around Donation Limits"

So much for "This should allow the little guy (or gal) more voice in what this country is doing".

We need to pray for this country surely, and we need to pray for deliverance from all the current candidates, that God will see to it that a strong and moral man of God can be lifted up in this election.

18 posted on 04/19/2008 11:36:10 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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Campaign Finance Reform is one of the main reasons I will never vote for McCain. It is one of the most anti-American pieces of legislation ever enacted. I consider him an enemy of this country for coming up with it.


20 posted on 04/19/2008 11:38:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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Sorry, the only praying I can do concerning McCain is that some sort of miracle happen and he be replaced by a candidate that represents somewhat more than about 5% of my values.


23 posted on 04/19/2008 11:45:53 PM PDT by LegendHasIt (Noone/Nohow '08)
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Hey, topher! It’s been a long time.

I know you will be flamed, and so will I, but I agree with you to a point...

We need to pray for this country, and it’s potential leaders.

I don’t like that McCain is our nominee...I don’t like it at all.

But, he will be much better than either of the other two.

For those reading, I don’t like McCain, but I would be more comfortable with him over Hillary! or Obama.

For those who flame you, just WHO would you nominate?
And, HOW would you fund them?

Sometimes the real world isn’t pretty.
I hope those who reject the real world...end up happy.


24 posted on 04/19/2008 11:47:06 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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I might be interested in joining with this, but I will need sit back and see what really takes form.


25 posted on 04/19/2008 11:48:27 PM PDT by Gator113 (Hey Democrats, "I drink your milkshake.")
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I’m in. I will pray for John McCain and for God to grant him the wisdom to lead the US wisely.


32 posted on 04/20/2008 12:03:38 AM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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Many Conservative are disappointed with the selection of Senator John S. McCain. But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values -- he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

Are you insane? McCain-Feingold was all about protecting incumbent politicians and adding draconian restrictions on free-speech and the ability of the 'little guy' to get involved in politics. Real campaign finance reform would focus on increased transparency; instead McCain pushed for a regime that was almost the exact opposite of any known conservative principle (the fact that most far-leftists supported it should have been the first giveaway).

33 posted on 04/20/2008 12:04:26 AM PDT by eclecticEel (You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.)
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To: topher; Jim Robinson

Perhaps you’d better refresh your memory:

“John McCain, you treasonous.....”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601416/posts

Hey, Jim! Did you know McCain proved he is conservative by forging that lovely “conservative” bill, McCain-Feingold?


35 posted on 04/20/2008 12:07:08 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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I believe you might want two threads: one to pray for McCain and his ilk and the other for Conservatives. Otherwise, you will face a lot of contention that will disrupt things.


44 posted on 04/20/2008 12:18:28 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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Prayers we definitely need.


75 posted on 04/20/2008 12:58:06 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~***Just say NO to the "O"***~~~)
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