Tancredo to pope: Stop promoting amnesty

World Net Daily ^ | April 18, 2008 | unknown

[ovrtaxt]

Rep. Tom Tancredo – who vied for the Republican presidential nomination to make illegal immigration a priority issue – suggested in a House speech yesterday that Pope Benedict XVI is encouraging Latin Americans to come to the U.S. to bolster flagging membership in the Catholic Church.

[rob777]

"Then he should be talking about dignity and justice in Mexico, not here. Get a grip."


He talks about human dignity wherever he goes and I am glad he does. I may not agree with him about the specific details on how this ideal is to be achieved in every political application, but I can not think of a better champion of that ideal. I am not a Catholic, but I see this Pope and Pope John Paul II to be among the greatest proponents of morality and human dignity in the 20th Century. It disgusts me to see politicians playing God by claiming to see the supposed ulterior motives in his heart simply to score political points. I do not care about the fact that I agree with Tancredo on illegal immigration, this was pure sandbox "gotcha".

[bigjackattack]

the pope defends illegals and pedophiles, if there no deviant he won’t take up for

[RepublitarianRoger2]

“conjuring up some dire motive”

It’s far from being something that Malkin and/or Tancredo has conjured up. More history:

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0602475.htm

[ovrtaxt]

Point made- however, he has a track record of taking the pro-illegal position, which probably led to that question.

[rob777]

"I agree that attacking the substance without attacking the Pope himself might have been the most prudent way to do it."


It is more than imprudent, it is a formal fallacy of the rules of logic. I have absolutely no respect for this approach. In fact, I would have more respect for someone who I disagreed with on the issue, but who was able to argue his point of view in an adult way.

As for the supposed "evidence" of an ulterior motive, the only evidence is that the Pope appears to agree with the U.S. Cardinals on pushing for more open borders. How in the he-- does that prove what the motive for that agreement is???? I personally know Catholic Priests who are morally the salt of the earth who agree with the notion. Does the fact that these Priests agree with the open borders position mean that there motive is more a matter of increasing the U.S. flock? I disagree with them on this issue but am fully aware that they take it because they sincerely believe that it is a matter of human dignity.

[mimaw]

BS. Threads like this and creeps like Tancredo serve as excuses to bash Catholics. Maybe Tancredo should do his stuff on Bill Maher’s show or The View instead of the floor of the US congress. I realize the Popes message of peace love and forgiveness is alien to some in this society and brings him ridicule and scorn but he is not responsible for our immigration policy.

[RepublitarianRoger2]

As far as I'm concerned, the motive is irrelevant. I'm sure it probably is motivated by a concern for human dignity. Doesn't matter. They are pushing Bush for compromises that would bring in more illegals, and that deserves to get called out and knocked down.

Also, with regard to this post...

"WND:The pontiff, asked by reporters on his flight to the U.S. Tuesday if he would address Hispanic immigration, (My underscore)"

The reason the reporters asked that question is because they are aware of the Pope's and the US Cardinals' historical public stance on the issue and the fact that both the Pope and the Cardinals have pushed Bush for more lax immigration laws, more open border policies, and many more compromises than what we currently have.

Now just think about what we do currently have and grok that the Vatican and its Cardinals in the United States wants it to be even worse.

[VRWC For Truth]

Tom supports McShame who supports Amnesty. Tom’s cred is shot.

[rob777]

"It’s far from being something that Malkin and/or Tancredo has conjured up. More history:"


I am fully aware of the history. I know of some Priest who offered his Church as a "sanctuary". As I said in another post, the only thing that this proves is that they support the notion of free immigration. I know of many people who do. There is NOTHING here which proves that their true motive is merely to increase the U.S. Catholic population. Such an unfounded B.S. accusation absolutely disgusts me.

[rob777]

"As far as I'm concerned, the motive is irrelevant. I'm sure it probably is motivated by a concern for human dignity. Doesn't matter."


What matters is the purely childish attempt to slime someone's character simply to score points on a political issue. This is something that disgusts me in and of itself, regardless of the particular issue being discussed.

[RepublitarianRoger2]

As I said, the motive doesn’t matter to me. It is irrelevant. I agree that it shouldn’t have even been inferred or mentioned. The only thing that matters is their pushing the President for open-border policies and amnesty-like compromises — regardless of how “pure” their reasons might be.

[bigjackattack]

since the pope has so much love for the illegals maybe we can send a few million of them to the vatican, I would bee happy to purchase the first 5 one way tickets, let me know if he is interested

[Norman Bates]

If you are Catholic the Pope is not a foreign leader but your leader. Show me the quote where the Pope supports amnesty.

[EternalVigilance]

Tancredo could start to rebuild the tattered shreds of his lost credibility if he repudiated his endorsements of the pro-amnesty John Judas McCain and the leftwing former Governor of MA, Mitt Romney.

But the fact of his endorsement of McCain, up against this criticism of the Pope, just makes him look like a raging hypocrite.

[rob777]

"The only thing that matters is their pushing the President for open-border policies and amnesty-like compromises — regardless of how “pure” their reasons might be."


That matters to me, but it is not the only thing that does. Quite apart from this issue, I am absolutely sick to death of the approach of attacking a person in order to refute their argument. This matters to me as much as the issue itself. Even if some of our opponents did have such motives, I still would have a problem with this tactic and am tired of ignoring it just because it is being used by one of "our" guys.

[BnBlFlag]

“Ifyou are a Catholic the Pope is not a foreign leader but YOUR leader.
He may be your leader in a Pastoral sense but if you look at him as your Political and secular leader as well, you are welcome to move to Vatican City and become a Citizen there.

[RepublitarianRoger2]

Yeah, I already said quite a few posts up that Tanc’s approach could have been much better. So I agree with you there.

Can’t say that his lack of tact matters to me as much as the issue itself matters to me, though.

[endthematrix]

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Strangers No Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope

A Pastoral Letter Concerning Migration
from the Catholic Bishops of Mexico and the United States

II. Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people.15 When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.

III. Sovereign nations have the right to control their borders.
36. The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

[buccaneer81]

WND:The pontiff, asked by reporters on his flight to the U.S. Tuesday if he would address Hispanic immigration, said the U.S. must do "everything possible to fight ... all forms of violence so that immigrants may lead dignified lives."

That's enough for me. He doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal, so excuse me for erring on the side of caution.

He IS NOT MY LEADER. In any way, shape or form.My mother is a Catholic immigrant. She took an oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic (not the Pope, but the illegals destroying this contry.)

[buccaneer81]

Oops. contry=country.