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"I am convinced that only a miracle can save America now. And I am expecting God to grant such a miracle. Beyond that, I am willing to do my part to place myself in a position to let God use my voice and my vote to accomplish this miracle. And if that means voting for someone who "has no chance of winning" in order to let God take the glory for whatever victory results, it is the least I can do. So, who will join me?"

1 posted on 04/17/2008 7:44:24 PM PDT by claudiustg
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“... and that’s the troof”.


2 posted on 04/17/2008 7:46:11 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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Who’ll join you? Only the frig’gin insane, buddy!


3 posted on 04/17/2008 7:50:07 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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I’ll be voting for a Conservative. I won’t be voting for McCain.


4 posted on 04/17/2008 7:52:22 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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Of course, the so-and-so in question is always the Democratic Presidential candidate.

As it should be. There are evil people in this world trying to destroy us. The last 2 'rat idiots in the oval office, Carter & Clinton, did absolutely NOTHING to stop them. NOTHING.

5 posted on 04/17/2008 7:52:33 PM PDT by PGalt
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“Republicans had an opportunity to nominate a real American constitutionalist, a statesman in the similitude of Thomas Jefferson or James Madison. That man was” . . . TA-DA! . . . “Texas Congressman, Ron Paul.”

He had me going, up to that point. Then it all fell apart.


6 posted on 04/17/2008 7:52:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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No I won't join you Chuck. I can not let Barack Obama pick four Supreme Court Justices.

We'll survive McCain. We survived Bush, Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Hoover, Harding, Grant, a Civil War, and even James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce. America's tough despite all the boys who cry wolf around here.

7 posted on 04/17/2008 7:52:48 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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We already tried isolationism Chuck. It didn’t work. What did Einstein say about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?


8 posted on 04/17/2008 7:52:53 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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“I am convinced that only a miracle can save America now. And I am expecting God to grant such a miracle. Beyond that, I am willing to do my part to place myself in a position to let God use my voice and my vote to accomplish this miracle. And if that means voting for someone who “has no chance of winning” in order to let God take the glory for whatever victory results, it is the least I can do. So, who will join me?”


NO.


9 posted on 04/17/2008 7:53:16 PM PDT by dadgum
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And if that means voting for someone who "has no chance of winning" in order to let God take the glory for whatever victory results, it is the least I can do. So, who will join me?"

I won't be joining him.

First of all, God takes the glory no matter who I vote for.

Secondly, Ron Paul doesn't impress me. This guy talks as if he's the next Ronald Reagan. Please! Give me a break!

11 posted on 04/17/2008 7:53:48 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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...place myself in a position to let God use my voice and my vote to accomplish this miracle

Better not. I let him use my lawnmower and he still hasn't returned it.

13 posted on 04/17/2008 7:54:49 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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Whose Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr's campaign manager?
14 posted on 04/17/2008 7:54:53 PM PDT by mimaw
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Ironically, one of Ron Paul's own mentors, Murry Rothbard warned us of exactly what we are seeing in this 'rEVOLution'. The major lesson of the history of the movement to libertarians is that It Can Happen Here, that libertarians, despite explicit devotion to reason and individuality, are not exempt from the mystical and totalitarian cultism that pervades other ideological as well as religious movements. Hopefully, libertarians, once bitten by the virus, may now prove immune.

One of my favorite thinkers had some thoughts about this as well. Ayn Rand completely rejected the Libertarian party movement claiming some sort of connection to the objectivist/individualist ideals. Above all, do not join the wrong ideological groups or movements, in order to 'do something.' By 'ideological' (in this context), I mean groups or movements proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined (and, usually, contradictory) political goals. (E.g., the Conservative Party, which subordinates reason to faith, and substitutes theocracy for capitalism; or the 'libertarian' hippies, who subordinate reason to whims, and substitute anarchism for capitalism.) To join such groups means to reverse the philosophical hierarchy and to sell out fundamental principles for the sake of some superficial political action which is bound to fail. It means that you help the defeat of your ideas and the victory of your enemies.

For the record, I shall repeat what I have said many times before: I do not join or endorse any political group or movement. More specifically, I disapprove of, disagree with and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called 'hippies of the right,' who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.

17 posted on 04/17/2008 7:58:44 PM PDT by mnehring
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I remember when I was a little kid, adults used to say, “God helps those who help themselves.”

I just googled it, and find about a hundred people who point out that this is “not in the Bible.” But what I take it to mean is that if the country freely chooses to go to hell in a handbasket, we can’t necessarily expect God to bail us out.

I have more than once said I hoped we’d have a miracle between now and next November. We can’t really expect it, but we can pray for it. Maybe if enough people pray, God will hear us.

So, no harm in praying—but I draw the line at Ron Paul.


18 posted on 04/17/2008 7:59:13 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Every four years, conservative "pragmatists" trot out the "We Can’t Let So-And-So Win" mantra. Of course, the so-and-so in question is always the Democratic Presidential candidate.

Every four years, political dreamers trot out the "We Can't Vote for So-And-So" mantra. Of course, the so-and-so in question is always the duly nominated Presidential candidate of their party (or the party with which they usually align).

These are the people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for George H.W. Bush or Bob Dole, for example, and thus helped (some would say caused) the country to endure eight years of Bubba and, now, his wife---who would have had no national political opening whatsoever had the 'Toons unceremoniously been sent back to Arkansas in 1992.

As for putting oneself in the position to "accomplish" a miracle, some acts are very nigh to testing God, which is never a good idea. One can walk in front of a speeding 18-wheeler to "position oneself for a miracle" as well, but that's also not a good idea.

23 posted on 04/17/2008 8:05:55 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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Let's summarize Baldwin for everyone.

Ron Paul is from the government, he is here to help.

24 posted on 04/17/2008 8:06:45 PM PDT by mnehring
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Chuck, you should know better. The Bible says “Thou shalt not put the Lord your God to the test.” If you want to throw yourself in front of train go ahead, but I will not be joining you.


29 posted on 04/17/2008 8:13:19 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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Another great out of the ball park article by Baldwin and he’s right on this. The GOP is as wrong as the DEMs and it’s time the GOP stopped pretending otherwise. Once again my vote for POTUS will likely go Third Party. If McCain is elected the GOP public will go back to the same nap it has taken under Bush for 8 years. (I bet McCain even adopts Bush’s “you’re either for us or” nonsense to get his way on trade.


30 posted on 04/17/2008 8:13:30 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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Every four years, fringe extremists on the left and the right say only they can save us from ourselves. Every four years they are roundly ignored, even though they have some very good ideas. They scold the rest of America, telling us who they won't vote for, as if anyone gives a damn how they use or abuse their votes. Another other favored technique is to tell us that we are stupid, idiotic sheep. This is supposed to win us over to their point of view. Good luck with that plan. Their trump card is their version of the crazy guy with his “THE END IS NEAR!” sign. That hasn't worked either, as they have cried wolf for far too long.

As for the fool above, he believes in a miracle, so he doesn't need us. Good, that solves his problem. I've been listening to these nuts (and not following them) through 41 years of voting. We are still here, despite their claim that disaster is always imminent, which they have shouted since long before I could vote. The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

Sociopaths make good dictators, but they are only useful for amusement in countries governed by consent of the populace.
As I said above they are also right about a lot of things. They never figure out why that doesn't matter, and I'm not going to tell them. They are best left as they are, on the fringe and powerless. It's an imperfect world. I adjust, persevere, adapt and deal with it. Life is great in the doomed USA! Yes, yes I know, it's all about to come crashing down. That's OK, it's been a hell of good run even if it ends tonight. I'm on borrowed time anyway.

38 posted on 04/17/2008 8:30:05 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (If you don't vote, you don't matter.)
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Let’s be clear: a John McCain Presidency will be no better than a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama Presidency. In fact, in many ways, a McCain White House will be WORSE than a Democratic one.

So it's another garden variety "Let Hillary Win!" rant. Worst idea of the century.

40 posted on 04/17/2008 8:33:19 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("If someone who has access to the press says something over and over again, people believe it"- B.C.)
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The first time, we had a few thousand heroes. Now we need a miracle.


41 posted on 04/17/2008 8:35:22 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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