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Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
Media Research Center ^ | April 17, 2008 | L. Brent Bozell III

Posted on 04/17/2008 4:07:06 PM PDT by Aristotelian

I confess that when the producers of Ben Stein’s new documentary “Expelled” called, offering me a private screening, I was less than excited.

It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned. Global warming. Gay “rights.” Abortion “rights.” On these and so many other issues there is enlightenment, and then there is the Idiotic Other Side. PC liberalism’s power centers are the news media, the entertainment industry and academia and all are in the clutches of an unmistakable hypocrisy: Theirs is an ideology that preaches the freedom of thought and expression at every opportunity, yet practices absolute intolerance toward dissension.

Evolution is another one of those one-sided debates. We know the concept of Intelligent Design is stifled in academic circles. An entire documentary to state the obvious? You can see my reluctance to view it.

I went into the screening bored. I came out of it stunned.

Ben Stein’s extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection.

Stein asks a simple question: What if the universe began with an intelligent designer, a designer named God? He assembles a stable of academics – experts all -- who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves “expelled” from intellectual discourse as a result. They include evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg (sandbagged at the Smithsonian), biology professor Caroline Crocker (drummed out of George Mason University), and astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez (blackballed at Iowa State University).

That’s disturbing enough, but what Stein does next is truly shocking. He allows the principal advocates of Darwinism to speak their minds.

(Excerpt) Read more at mrc.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benstein; bozell; expelled; moviereview
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To: ketsu

Perhaps you should try to prove Stein’s point more.

Everyone that comes to a different conclusion MUST be ignorant of the scientific method...

Perhaps if you were more condescendingly arrogant, you’d convince more people.


201 posted on 04/18/2008 5:24:05 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: trumandogz

The Movie. Where is the article that debunks the movie! Most of the 9/11 conspiracys are by loons. I want to see the direct attack on Michael Moores movie, not a bunch of youtube wanna be’s


202 posted on 04/18/2008 5:24:20 AM PDT by Bommer (Hmmm who to vote for? A Far leftist? A Radical Leftist? Or a Republican that enjoys being a Leftist?)
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To: allmendream
Ben Stein - Al Frankin Supporter.

Say it ain't so.

203 posted on 04/18/2008 5:26:17 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: ketsu
Uuum... I'm not saying anything snoogums. I'm just pointing out that the previous moron doesn't even understand the strawman he thinks he's knocking down.

Actually, you are saying something. In your attempt to disprove that other poster's point (can't remember who it was right this sec), you posted a link to a Wikipedia article about the Miller-Urey experiment, presumably because you thought that this "proves" that "lightning can make amino acids", contra what the other poster said.

While it is "technically" true that an electric arc can generate rudimentary amino acids, it produces a racemic mix (among the various other scientific problems with trying to transfer the M-U results to an hypothesis about the supposed early earth) which would be completely unusable from a biological perspective. Hence all the nonsense about "directing clays" and "crystals which selected for handedness" and all that other speculation which has proven unsupported by laboratory investigation.

204 posted on 04/18/2008 5:27:19 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Hey they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: MrB
Perhaps you should try to prove Stein’s point more.

Everyone that comes to a different conclusion MUST be ignorant of the scientific method...

Perhaps if you were more condescendingly arrogant, you’d convince more people.

Hate to break it to you snoogums, but you are late to the party. If you could figure out *what* I mean I'd have a little more respect.
205 posted on 04/18/2008 5:41:41 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Actually, you are saying something. In your attempt to disprove that other poster's point (can't remember who it was right this sec), you posted a link to a Wikipedia article about the Miller-Urey experiment, presumably because you thought that this "proves" that "lightning can make amino acids", contra what the other poster said.

While it is "technically" true that an electric arc can generate rudimentary amino acids, it produces a racemic mix (among the various other scientific problems with trying to transfer the M-U results to an hypothesis about the supposed early earth) which would be completely unusable from a biological perspective. Hence all the nonsense about "directing clays" and "crystals which selected for handedness" and all that other speculation which has proven unsupported by laboratory investigation.

WTF, are you really this stupid? Actually *read* the beginning of the thread. You'd look like less of an idiot. Here's a hint, it involves *proteins* and *amino acids*. When you can figure out the difference get back to me.
206 posted on 04/18/2008 5:46:24 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

Wow... you’re even trying!

That’s great...

condescend some more! Harder!
More arrogance please!!!

Go, leftie, go!


207 posted on 04/18/2008 5:52:44 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
Wow... you’re even trying!

That’s great...

condescend some more! Harder! More arrogance please!!!

Go, leftie, go!

Yawn... I'm no more leftist than you are. Unless you call knowing the scientific method leftism, which, given your behavior, wouldn't surprise me.
208 posted on 04/18/2008 6:19:00 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: Para-Ord.45
Without the first protein there is no evolution.

Without the first water molecule, there is no weather. Meteorological theories are therefore false. Hence, weathermen are atheists.

209 posted on 04/18/2008 6:34:57 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: ketsu

“knowing the scientific method” is not “leftism”, but your attitude of “everyone who doesn’t think like me is stupid” sure is.

I have an advanced technical degree, so you can just shove your superiority complex right where it belongs.


210 posted on 04/18/2008 6:35:57 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I’ve told the family about it (four adult kids. Tomorrow is me and hubby, but he’s a group in and of himself. LOL!


211 posted on 04/18/2008 6:43:11 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: AmericaUnite
It is so.

Ben Stein is an Al Frankin supporter.

He is also a Political and Scientific ignoramus.

212 posted on 04/18/2008 7:03:29 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: MrB
I have an advanced technical degree, so you can just shove your superiority complex right where it belongs.
Awwww... is widdle snoogums sad? Still waiting for your definition of the scientific method...
213 posted on 04/18/2008 7:50:46 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

I find you an hillarious example of the very thing that Stein and this article states about you.

Thanks for being such a great example of the arrogant assholes that they are talking about.


214 posted on 04/18/2008 7:53:12 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
I find you an hillarious example of the very thing that Stein and this article states about you.

Thanks for being such a great example of the arrogant assholes that they are talking about.

Is it that I'm hilarious or you're just stupid? Hmmmmm... still don't want to define the scientific method? What is poor snoogums afwaid of?
215 posted on 04/18/2008 8:01:11 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: Para-Ord.45
Where are all the failed mutated fossils?

Excellent point. Moreover, taking just humans, we have plenty of mutations even now. But none of these represents an improvement on the human frame.

216 posted on 04/18/2008 8:03:34 AM PDT by Aristotelian ("Sock it to me!" Judy Carne)
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To: ketsu

Ah yes, everyone else, especially me, that points out your “scientific method” of “proof by arrogant condescension” just MUST be “stupid”.

Keep it up, you’re just proving the point. Your question is irrelevant to the point. And that point is that you atheist folks have exactly the attitude that you display.

Now, are you going to post another proof of the concept?
Go ahead.


217 posted on 04/18/2008 8:05:34 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

Ben Stein’s new documentary “Expelled” opens in theaters TODAY, Friday, April 18!


218 posted on 04/18/2008 8:07:35 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obama supporters: Drink the Kool-Aid? Yes we can!)
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To: MrB
Ah yes, everyone else, especially me, that points out your “scientific method” of “proof by arrogant condescension” just MUST be “stupid”.

Keep it up, you’re just proving the point. Your question is irrelevant to the point. And that point is that you atheist folks have exactly the attitude that you display.

Now, are you going to post another proof of the concept? Go ahead.

Still no definition... what are you afraid of? After you have an "advanced technical degree" don't you snoogums?
219 posted on 04/18/2008 8:07:41 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: Aristotelian
Excellent point. Moreover, taking just humans, we have plenty of mutations even now. But none of these represents an improvement on the human frame.
Uuum... why do you think white people have white skin and black people black skin? Random chance?
220 posted on 04/18/2008 8:10:24 AM PDT by ketsu
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