Posted on 04/16/2008 12:50:48 PM PDT by keats5
Hearing the FLDS mothers complain about having their families ripped from them is bitterly ironic to Richard Holm.
"The families there have been stolen and kidnapped from their fathers," he told the Deseret News on Tuesday.
Holm was kicked out of the church in 2003 by its leader, Warren Jeffs, and his two wives and children were told to leave him. They were placed with his brother.
"They (FLDS leaders) are guilty of what they're accusing the authorities of doing," Holm said.
Under Jeffs, dozens of men were told to "repent from a distance" for various sins. Some left the FLDS Church and have been speaking out against the polygamous sect, while others continue to be seeking penance and hope to be allowed back in.
Hundreds of teenagers also have been kicked out or run away from the polygamous sect. Known as the "Lost Boys," some have wound up living on the streets or crashing in crowded apartments. Some have turned to drugs or crime.
Those who work with the "Lost Boys" say the children are viewing what happened in Texas as another raid.
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
What a sordid mess this cult has created...and our political leaders seem unable to stop the madness.
Maybe you can answer this: when they say “wives” they cannot be talking about legal wives right? I mean polygamy is illegal in this country still right?
I know that many Muslim men have multiple women who attend them but only one legal wife. In this country I mean. They bring them here by saying they are sisters or cousins and then just install them in their apartments/homes.
FYI.
Hundreds of teenagers also have been kicked out or run away from the polygamous sect. Known as the "Lost Boys," some have wound up living on the streets or crashing in crowded apartments. Some have turned to drugs or crime.
Not "hundreds of teenagers"; rather, "hundreds of teenaged boys". No femaleand most especially no teenaged femaleis ever expelled from any of those sect compounds. And the boys are kicked out for the same reason that a mature male lion banishes young male lions from his pride: to get rid of the competition for breeding females. The old male perverts don't want any competition at all. Completely understandable and completely pathetic.
I think you nailed that one.
Sadly,you are spot on.
What solution do you propose that our constitution allow for?
Please keep in mind freedom of religion and due process.
I agree with your comparison. Imagine if Charles Manson had passed himself of as FDLS with thousands of vulnerable women and hundreds of lecherous old men. He could have probably stayed out of jail by cloaking himself in religious utterances.
These are not pious men & women. They are evil personified - holding fragile brainwashed women as prisoners and female children as sex slaves.
A spade is a spade.
Carolyn Jessop, who escaped from this cult, has a quote in this article:
“Everybody totally accepts that a little girl born into a monogamous family, that she has the right to help if she’s being abused. But once you touch a little girl that’s been born into a polygamous family, everybody goes through the roof and it’s ‘religious persecution,”’ she said. “That is not the case. That little girl has as much right to protection by the United States government as a little girl that’s born into a monogamous family. We just need to cut through the crap.”
Well said, Carolyn!
That depends. May modern day polygamists do not even bother to marry under civil law. Often they view marriage as a religious matter of which the state has no control. As such, they feel no compulsion to seek the blessing of the state for their union, esp since their customs contradict law.
Others marry and then divorce the first wife under civil law but consider themselves married according to their religious believes. They then proceed through the next series of wives in like manner.
I caught several of the women from the sect on Fox & Friends this morning. To say they spoke in monotone and were robotic, would be an understatement.
Which cult are you referring to?
“Many modern day polygamists do not even bother to marry under civil law”
Because then there would be a public record of their crimes.
Interestingly, the sect members carefully documented the raid with moving and still video and audio equipment.
These folks are NOT stupid when it come to legal matters.
And so Islam--there's not enough women for every man to have several, so the young stags have to be driven off.
It's like the new lion taking over the tribe--first thing is to kill or drive away the male cubs.
“To my mind, the evil here is the under aged marriage.”
Yes, and please keep in mind that these so-called marriages are not legally performed. They are “sealed” in their temple, and never get recorded (each polygamous man has only one legal wife, all others are never made official to try to escape bigamy charges.
Then when the girl gets pregnant, if they can swing it, she is sent to the welfare office to get aid including WIC; and, as they say, “bleed the beast.”
Much of the cult’s income comes from welfare checks. The more kids, the bigger the check.
I’ve wondered if the RICO laws might apply here also.
It’s not a marriage if she had not choice in the matter. Not if she’s given to her ‘husband’ like a bag of cheetos at half-time. She’s not married nor is she a ‘real’ wife.
When are these perverts going to stop hiding behind these womens dresses.
The one we are discussing here-—FLDS...I know..I should have added evil and berserk in front of cult.
I completely, thoroughly agree with you.
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