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Ex-FLDS members find tears, complaints ironic
Deseret News ^ | 4/16/2008 | By Ben Winslow

Posted on 04/16/2008 12:50:48 PM PDT by keats5

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1 posted on 04/16/2008 12:50:48 PM PDT by keats5
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To: keats5

What a sordid mess this cult has created...and our political leaders seem unable to stop the madness.

Maybe you can answer this: when they say “wives” they cannot be talking about legal wives right? I mean polygamy is illegal in this country still right?

I know that many Muslim men have multiple women who attend them but only one legal wife. In this country I mean. They bring them here by saying they are sisters or cousins and then just install them in their apartments/homes.


2 posted on 04/16/2008 12:59:19 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

FYI.


3 posted on 04/16/2008 12:59:53 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: keats5
Hundreds of teenagers also have been kicked out or run away from the polygamous sect. Known as the "Lost Boys," some have wound up living on the streets or crashing in crowded apartments. Some have turned to drugs or crime.

Not "hundreds of teenagers"; rather, "hundreds of teenaged boys". No female—and most especially no teenaged female—is ever expelled from any of those sect compounds. And the boys are kicked out for the same reason that a mature male lion banishes young male lions from his pride: to get rid of the competition for breeding females. The old male perverts don't want any competition at all. Completely understandable and completely pathetic.

4 posted on 04/16/2008 1:01:36 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

I think you nailed that one.


5 posted on 04/16/2008 1:12:25 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Sadly,you are spot on.


6 posted on 04/16/2008 1:14:48 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: eleni121
Perps of coerced under age marriage should be prosecuted, however, it's quite unamerican to insist community wide internment camps are the solution.

What solution do you propose that our constitution allow for?
Please keep in mind freedom of religion and due process.

7 posted on 04/16/2008 1:17:41 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Will the AmericanHating Rev Wright be Barack Hussein Obama's ambassador to Iran?)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I agree with your comparison. Imagine if Charles Manson had passed himself of as FDLS with thousands of vulnerable women and hundreds of lecherous old men. He could have probably stayed out of jail by cloaking himself in religious utterances.

These are not pious men & women. They are evil personified - holding fragile brainwashed women as prisoners and female children as sex slaves.

A spade is a spade.


8 posted on 04/16/2008 1:18:31 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: keats5

Carolyn Jessop, who escaped from this cult, has a quote in this article:

“Everybody totally accepts that a little girl born into a monogamous family, that she has the right to help if she’s being abused. But once you touch a little girl that’s been born into a polygamous family, everybody goes through the roof and it’s ‘religious persecution,”’ she said. “That is not the case. That little girl has as much right to protection by the United States government as a little girl that’s born into a monogamous family. We just need to cut through the crap.”

Well said, Carolyn!


9 posted on 04/16/2008 1:40:12 PM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
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To: eleni121

That depends. May modern day polygamists do not even bother to marry under civil law. Often they view marriage as a religious matter of which the state has no control. As such, they feel no compulsion to seek the blessing of the state for their union, esp since their customs contradict law.

Others marry and then divorce the first wife under civil law but consider themselves married according to their religious believes. They then proceed through the next series of wives in like manner.


10 posted on 04/16/2008 1:40:37 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: keats5

I caught several of the women from the sect on Fox & Friends this morning. To say they spoke in monotone and were robotic, would be an understatement.


11 posted on 04/16/2008 1:41:18 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: rightazrain
To my mind, the evil here is the under aged marriage. Such customs be they in mono, or poly settings are simply wrong. Children should be allowed to reach their majority and have the own legal rights before being committed to marriage.
12 posted on 04/16/2008 1:44:06 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: eleni121
What a sordid mess this cult has created

Which cult are you referring to?

13 posted on 04/16/2008 1:47:26 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: taxcontrol

“Many modern day polygamists do not even bother to marry under civil law”

Because then there would be a public record of their crimes.

Interestingly, the sect members carefully documented the raid with moving and still video and audio equipment.

These folks are NOT stupid when it come to legal matters.


14 posted on 04/16/2008 1:57:33 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: keats5
Sounds like Holms got kicked out of his sexual gravy train.

And so Islam--there's not enough women for every man to have several, so the young stags have to be driven off.

It's like the new lion taking over the tribe--first thing is to kill or drive away the male cubs.

15 posted on 04/16/2008 2:02:09 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: taxcontrol

“To my mind, the evil here is the under aged marriage.”

Yes, and please keep in mind that these so-called marriages are not legally performed. They are “sealed” in their temple, and never get recorded (each polygamous man has only one legal wife, all others are never made official to try to escape bigamy charges.

Then when the girl gets pregnant, if they can swing it, she is sent to the welfare office to get aid including WIC; and, as they say, “bleed the beast.”

Much of the cult’s income comes from welfare checks. The more kids, the bigger the check.

I’ve wondered if the RICO laws might apply here also.


16 posted on 04/16/2008 2:08:51 PM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
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To: rightazrain

It’s not a marriage if she had not choice in the matter. Not if she’s given to her ‘husband’ like a bag of cheetos at half-time. She’s not married nor is she a ‘real’ wife.


17 posted on 04/16/2008 2:11:47 PM PDT by najida (On FR- Everyman is Brad Pitt, Everywoman is Aunt Bea)
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To: keats5
"The families there have been stolen and kidnapped from their fathers,"

When are these perverts going to stop hiding behind these womens dresses.

18 posted on 04/16/2008 2:16:30 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: colorcountry

The one we are discussing here-—FLDS...I know..I should have added evil and berserk in front of cult.


19 posted on 04/16/2008 2:18:24 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: najida

I completely, thoroughly agree with you.


20 posted on 04/16/2008 2:18:59 PM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
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