I’ve been pretty tough on the authorities here. There are some things I understand and others I don’t. For instance, I think there were likely abuses taking place on the farm. So far that hasn’t been proven, but it does seem plausible at this point.
The infractions seem to involve the young women, that they are exploited sexually for the pleasure of the adult males.
What I don’t quite understand is why the boys are being isolated from their moms. I there a reason for this?
Folks, while I do think some bad things were going on out there, I am by no means convinced that every child was being abused, that every adult was involved.
At this point we have signed off on every child being ripped from their parents. I remain unconvinced that is warranted.
Give me a plausible reason, and I might change my mind.
I agree. And, I think it is a wholesale violation of rights - parents’ and childrens’. Again, if supervision is in place children and their mothers ought to be allowed to be together until things are sorted out and specific cases identified where state intervention is justified. Some dangerous precedents are being set in this case my friends.
I don’t know. I think they have to separate them, and then go on a case-by-case basis, and that could take awhile (400!!). I think it’s going to be hard to get a straight story as it is, let alone with Mama watching over it all.
Personally, I’m just grateful it didn’t all end in a big fireball.
I don't think this is/was a sex cult. This is an LDS sect (religious cult if you will) that has certainly gone too far. The marriage of a child under the age of consent shouldn't be condoned. Nor is it proper.
It was at one time standard LDS teaching that a person couldn't obtain "Exaltation" without engaging in Celestial Plural Marriage in an LDS Temple. Hence the temple on the ranch in Texas.
The main LDS church renounced polygamy over a 100 years ago. Even when polygamy was accepted, only a tiny percentage of members engaged in it, though it was supposedly required
It also seems the state has gone too far by not allowing the mothers to stay with their children. What is this? guilt by association?
It really takes someone who knows about LDS church history to put all of this into context. It's not a simple case of sex abuse.
We really don’t know about the boys. Not enough information.
Common sense rules.
The boys could be aware of what is going on. At least in some instances, involving the young girls and older men. They could have information or be witnesses to some things that would help the investigation.
I watched a program once wherein young Morman men told of how they were mistreated by being forbidden to interact with the young girls that had been programed to be used by older men. The young men/boys were mal treated to such an extent that they were either banned from the group and thrown out on their own with nothing to help them live or adjust in the real world, or they ran away.
Think about it. A young teen or older teen boy starts being interested in girls (the norm, anyway), right? Yet in this group they are treated like dirt because the cult is run for the older men to take the girls for themselves almost as soon as they hit puberty.
I believe we know only the tiniest tip of the iceberg so far.
If you find yourself thinking too conventionally...that is, what you are used to in normal society, but only ONE ABERRATION, like girls being used by older men, you could easily overlook that this entire thing is totally screwed up and manifests itself in many, many ways.
It makes me sick. Janet Reno used “child abuse” as a ploy to send the brownshirts into Waco to incinerate 76 American citizens, men, women, and children. This after many “anonymous tips”.
This Texas thing with the Mormons is shaping up to be the same thing. Only this time, they removed the children in advance. So we can’t say that BATF = Babies and Toddlers First.
I think there were likely abuses taking place on the farm. So far that hasn’t been proven,
The above quote from you says it all. What you or I think doesn’t matter. Except for the fact that there isn’t any evidence, no charges no arrests, just allegations and a lot of familial separation.
The state of Texas, chose to go after women and children, when in MHO they should have gone after the men. They chose otherwise and the women and children are paying the price. Absue by government, is hardly any better abuse if the other abuse allegations, are ever proven. It is just legal abuse in contrast to the alleged illegal abuse. A very sad situation for the women and children.
There are a couple of women that have managed to escape this FLDS cult, although they haven’t lived in the Eldorado compound. I’ve seen them both interviewed on the chat shows, and one of them wrote a book - not in connection with this case but after she escaped WITH HER EIGHT CHILDREN.
The other one - not the one who wrote a book - I saw last night and I quote her exact words. She said little girls are taught their whole lives that they exist in order to begin having babies themselves AS SOON AS THEY BEGIN TO BLEED. Sorry to be so graphic.
Now let me tie this to what one of the Eldorado women said on Fox and Friends yesterday. She was demanding her children back, but the hosts began asking her pointed questions about her life. One was very instructive. How many children do you have? The woman answered THAT SHE HAS TWELVE CHILDREN.
Also, the woman interviewed last night said that you begin having children when you begin to bleed, and that you HAVE A BABY EVERY YEAR.
She also explained what types of abuse you undergo. Even beyond the childhood sex and a baby every year. I won’t repeat it here, but it gives the lie to the idyllic life and voluntary life these Eldorado women who’ve been interviewed tried to project.
Tieing this altogether with the point about the young and older boys...the sex and the babies and all of that is PLANNED WITH THE OLDER MEN, who already have multiple “wives” and huge, huge numbers of children (multiple wives, a baby per year by each wife).
So where does that leave young boys who grow up to “interested in girls” age inside the cult??
Ask yourself, please. And be honest with yourself. You are too intelligent to miss the clear implication. Which fits perfectly with what I heard from a couple of young FLDS men who were interviewed during the Warren Jeffs newsmaking period, who were out of the cult but were very fearful of retribution against them for speaking out.
By the way, I lived in San Angelo for more than 30 years. Have been to and through Eldorado numerous times and to all of the small towns in the San Angelo area. I still live in West Texas.