Posted on 04/15/2008 5:15:25 PM PDT by tripod
ELDORADO, Texas (AP) - State officials Tuesday defended their decision to suddenly separate mothers from many of the children taken in a raid on a polygamist ranch in West Texas. Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said the separation was made Monday after they decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.
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While I do have reservations about this case, I do think some abuses were taking place. I do want to see the evidence and a verification of the information used to ask the judge for a search warrant. Where is the sixteen year old girl? Where is the man who was supposed to be her husband? Actually, he is out of state and says he hasn’t been at the farm for years. If that is true, there’s going to be some splaining to do.
It makes one wonder what and how, if any, oversight is conducted on these powerful agencies? CPS seems to be freely infringing on the rights of all Americans with near ZERO oversight.
The Waco holocaust was carried live. I was shopping in a store that sold tvs. For a moment I thought the store was on fire, but it was just many tvs tuned to a news station. Only the innocent were punished, IMO. I still get chills down my spine thinking about that experience with my youngest son in tow. At least Janet Reno and her ilk failed to get their hands on those children unlike today in Texas. No one seems to care. After all they were only white Christians.
If you're an older man, ask the next 15-year-old child on the street you see if she'd like to "marry" you. You'd be looking through bars when the authorities found you.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot, now, and see if you still scratch your head. Let's father some boys with docile, brainwashed, ignorant sheep-like men for fathers, raise them in a remote fenced compound ruled by domineering women, and when they are 13, "marry" them to the old women in power for "spiritual purposes," denying them free will in any matter. Actually, they'd get off lucky, because they wouldn't be pregnant and saddled with the old perv's child.
"Marriage" with parental permission is a farce with these cults. The "bride's" father will grant the permission, because it ultimately benefits a society that panders to his own perverted sexual nature (I suspect money or power changes hands, as well), and the mother of the "bride" grants her permission by the enforced absence of her own free will, knowledge and judgement.
Those old pervs are pretty smart. They know if they can get these poor child "brides" pregnant, they will stay with the cult to be with the babies they are forced to bear, who will then be prepared to be the next crop of "brides."
"Brides"; sheesh.
I don’t know if you saw it this morning, but Fox interviewed three of the women. Let me tell you, this was CREEPY. The way they spoke was so very strange, almost as if they were repeating something they heard off-camera or something. Was someone feeding them lines? Maybe they are, as they say, caring mothers, but something’s wrong here. I’m sure the purpose of the interview was to gain support from the “jury pool” but it might have accomplished exactly the opposite.
I share your concern about possible rights violations, but I also share most SANE people’s concerns about young (sometimes very young) girls being forced into sexual relationships with older men. In MY culture, that’s called child sex abuse, and such older men are called “sexual predators.” Why should this group get a pass? As some have pointed out, it can’t ALL be “made up”—they have pregnant teens and pre-teens. And as many have also pointed out, when a kid is under-age, that precludes any defense of “consent”—they’re too young to give consent.
Apparently so...
“Thirteen year old pregnant girls too”
I wasn’t aware of that. Were any of the 400 children pregnant? Does Has anyone heard?
I think there were likely abuses taking place on the farm. So far that hasn’t been proven,
The above quote from you says it all. What you or I think doesn’t matter. Except for the fact that there isn’t any evidence, no charges no arrests, just allegations and a lot of familial separation.
The state of Texas, chose to go after women and children, when in MHO they should have gone after the men. They chose otherwise and the women and children are paying the price. Absue by government, is hardly any better abuse if the other abuse allegations, are ever proven. It is just legal abuse in contrast to the alleged illegal abuse. A very sad situation for the women and children.
Speaking of despicable. You done convicted the lot without a trial. Well done, thou ignorant servant.
I saw that, and it was as you say. They looked and spoke like puppets, totally emotionless, moving almost in unison, just bizarre.
How do you know it was a hoax? I’m thinking the girl is going in to the witness protection program.
I think so too. Many of the kids don’t even know who their mothers are, many of the women are giving different names each time they are interviewed. Some of the kids were taken from their parents when they were 6 or so, from the Colorado Creek compound by Warren Jeffs and sent to the Texas one. Biological parents may not even *be* in Texas. I’m sure it’s a nightmare logistically for those in charge.
I watched a program once wherein young Morman men told of how they were mistreated by being forbidden to interact with the young girls that had been programed to be used by older men.
I’m sorry too, you already bought it with the above which I tell you categorically did not happen. You may think it did but you would be wrong.
I think she’s dead
It’s certainly possible.
Wita, I’m sorry if you taking these comments as criticism of your religion, if you’re Mormon. Speaking for myself, no criticism of mainstream LDS is intended. But you can’t just say “it’s all a lie” even when witnesses speaking of this cultish offshoot (and other cultish offshoots) say otherwise. The young man txrangerette saw interviewed is not the first who has said things like these, and it’s said enough that I tend to think there might be something to it.
Now, whether or not there is abuse of young men, there is most certainly abuse of young girls (even of an age we would call “little girl”), else there wouldn’t be the pregnant 13 year olds. And polygamy, like it or not, is illegal.
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