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It is outrageous for the state to put these 400 children on cots in a coleseum supervised by total strangers. Since they are supervised why can't their mothers be with them too?
1 posted on 04/15/2008 5:15:25 PM PDT by tripod
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It would appear that at least some of the mothers may have previously permitted their 13 and 14 year old daughters to have sex with 50 year old men.

If that is the case, these "mothers" should never see their children again.

2 posted on 04/15/2008 5:17:46 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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I’ve been pretty tough on the authorities here. There are some things I understand and others I don’t. For instance, I think there were likely abuses taking place on the farm. So far that hasn’t been proven, but it does seem plausible at this point.

The infractions seem to involve the young women, that they are exploited sexually for the pleasure of the adult males.

What I don’t quite understand is why the boys are being isolated from their moms. I there a reason for this?

Folks, while I do think some bad things were going on out there, I am by no means convinced that every child was being abused, that every adult was involved.

At this point we have signed off on every child being ripped from their parents. I remain unconvinced that is warranted.

Give me a plausible reason, and I might change my mind.


4 posted on 04/15/2008 5:24:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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5 posted on 04/15/2008 5:24:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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Given what these mothers (in name only) allowed to happen to some of these children, that’s an incredibly stupid thing to say.


11 posted on 04/15/2008 5:34:45 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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Isn't all of this based on some anonymous calls from an unidentified girl/woman?

(As if teenage girls never lied to get adults in trouble before.)

Sounds like a witch-hunt in progress.

12 posted on 04/15/2008 5:35:24 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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Have they found the kid that made the anonymous phone call?

I can’t get past that part.

I don’t know anything about these people but the whole thing reminds me of the old movie “The Children’s Hour” in which false lesbian allegations of lesbianism from a young girl ruin some womens’ lives.

It was to show how dangerous an unformed and undeveloped young mind is.


14 posted on 04/15/2008 5:37:57 PM PDT by fishhound (Boycott the Olympics in China.)
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oops
“in which false lesbian allegations of lesbianism”

should read...

in which false allegations of lesbianism


16 posted on 04/15/2008 5:39:04 PM PDT by fishhound (Boycott the Olympics in China.)
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Why can't their mothers be with them too?

You got to be kidding, right?

17 posted on 04/15/2008 5:39:09 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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Maybe some of these women will be more willing to discuss the crimes committed by their men now - instead of trying to cover them up.


20 posted on 04/15/2008 5:39:28 PM PDT by PFC
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MOTHERS, love, honor and obey your spouse; the spouse who Spiritual Marries rapes and impregnates your minor daughters! Don't forget to have your unmarried minor daughters apply for the welfare but never reveal the Spiritual studs! These people are despicable! Hurray for Texas!
21 posted on 04/15/2008 5:39:50 PM PDT by ricks_place
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Frankly, my spider-sense is tingling. I’m beginning to think this whole thing may or may not have been a carefully premeditated put-up job by the sect’s shadowy leaders. I’m not saying everybody’s in on it but the State of Texas has clearly bitten off more than it can process. It’s looking like there is no evidence of anything blatantly abusive. All the mothers (the more telegenic ones, that is) are weeping for the cameras on cue, claiming mistreatment by the state and begging for their babies back. Nobody’s going to talk. They will never find the mysterious girl claiming abuse because there isn’t any.

The civil liberties gang is starting to circle the wagons around them and they are playing the media like a fiddle. I’m afraid this is going to be a big, big PR disaster for TX and likely the same thing will happen that happened in UT when an aggressive Governor went after the FLDS back in the fifties; bad press and electoral retribution with the result that Mormon polygamists became radioactive and the authorities looked the other way from then on.

Maybe this wasn’t pre-planned but it might as well have been. After all this time not a single man has been fingered and nobody is singing, save to denounce the State.


35 posted on 04/15/2008 5:53:43 PM PDT by sinanju
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Apropos of the media and the 1950’s incident. I saw a news special that interviewed a handful of former children of the long-ago raids and they were all denouncing the authorities rather than their “fathers.”

There are plenty of anti-polygamy survivors and activists weighing in too, but I’m afraid the polygamists are going to be able to play victim here.


39 posted on 04/15/2008 5:58:29 PM PDT by sinanju
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“It is outrageous for the state to put these 400 children on cots in a coleseum supervised by total strangers. Since they are supervised why can’t their mothers be with them too?”

Because their mothers didn’t bother to protect them when they had the chance!


44 posted on 04/15/2008 6:09:42 PM PDT by annelizly
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ELDORADO, Texas (AP) - State officials Tuesday defended their decision to suddenly separate mothers from many of the children taken in a raid on a polygamist ranch in West Texas. Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said the separation was made Monday after they decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.

Normally the alleged perpetrator would be arrested and taken to trail. Taking away 401 children from their parents smacks of Nazi Germany Fascism to me. This is a repeat of a questionable attack on a Christian sect in Waco. Just as in Waco all we read about in the MSM is alleged sexual deviance. That justifies radical action against another Christian Sect.

But what we see and learn is that we killed many innocent women and children in an unjustified and overzealous attempt to get one man. Are we doing that again in Texas, only under a Republican Administration? Is it okay to destroy the lives of 401 children and parents because we do not understand or like or approve of their life style? Who are the real criminals -- Marleigh Meisner?

47 posted on 04/15/2008 6:16:38 PM PDT by olezip
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You are obviously an unsophisticated beer drinking rube who can’t see the wisdom of the state boxing up and busing out an entire community on the basis of a single allegation. Someday, when you’ve wizened up, and the bullet enters your brain, you too will learn to love Big Brother.

Do I really need a sarcasm tag?


59 posted on 04/15/2008 6:46:11 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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I have a female friend who fired a woman.
Suddenly out of the blue social services got an anonymous call about abuse in my friends home.
The caller did not know that there were other kids at the house so social services realized they were on a goose chase shortly after they arrived. They thought they were going to a single child home. The bitter person who called could not have ever imagined that she sent social services to a wonderful loving household. In this case it shows the importance of being prudent about discussing things at work.

But they have to respond to an anonymous tips.

Which means a person could really harrass their local politicians or anyone else if they really wanted to do so.

my2cents


66 posted on 04/15/2008 6:56:54 PM PDT by fishhound (Boycott the Olympics in China.)
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I am sick of our government thinking it can do whatever the hell it wants, whenever the hell it wants to, as if the Constitution is a mere suggestion that may be brushed aside whenever some government yahoo thinks the situation warrants it.

Either we have a Constitution, or we do not. All of you people who are hopping up and down saying "Yippee, the government just launched a successful military assault on a community and put its inhabitants in segregated internment camps!" should go ahead and renounce your American citizenship right now. What is the point of claiming to live by Constitutional principles if we toss them aside any time some anonymous caller says that its for the children? Supposedly, the police are prevented from entering my house without a warrant showing cause and confiscating my stuff, yet these guys can launch an assault on an entire community, invade their homes, and steal their children? Come on.

I've seen plenty of people excuse all of these blatant violations by saying that we must do this to protect the children from evil child molestors. Well, how about if wait until we have a little something called "evidence" before we go mass-convicting a whole group of people? Is that too much to ask for in this Constitutional republic of ours?

What a frightening number of people here are missing is that we have a case where our own government just engaged in the most severe expression of sheer force on its citizens that we have witnessed in any country, and they did that on the mere claim of hearsay. That's right, folks. Not only was the phone tip mere hearsay, but it is actually only a claim of hearsay, because, apparently, nobody can find the girl who supposedly called even to confirm that the phone call happened, yet even stalwart members of FR have readily given their blessing to the government's invasion of private property, and seizure of children. This means that the government is now aware that a certain number of people will believe anything as justification for any act, without asking for any proof.

We are overdue for a totalitarian regime in this country, quite frankly. We have the populace for it.
93 posted on 04/15/2008 8:24:06 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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