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Bush Foreign Policy Settles into Weird State of Denial
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | April, '08 | Claudia Rosett

Posted on 04/12/2008 12:31:48 AM PDT by T.L.Sink

In this final year of the Bush presidency, what was once a doctrine of preemption has given way to a weird presumption that threats that Washington doesn't officially acknowledge somehoe won't hurt us. It's an alarming sign when CIA director Michael Hayden says, as he did on NBC that, personally, he believes Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, but officially he stands by the NIE report that maybe they aren't. So America sails on, under the fiction that nothing dramatic need be done, despite Hayden's further warning that in Iran, "the development of fissile material, the development of delivery systems, continue apace." Likewise, the administration's special envoy for human rights in North Korea warned that the Six-Party Talks have failed. In Rice-world, these nuclear ventures can be stopped with failed talks, Iran's nuclear quest can be contained with U.N. resolutions, and peace in the Middle East can be built by downplaying Palestinian terrorism to clinch the umpteenth "peace" deal between Palestinians and Israelis. These fantasies are a strange counterpoint to the surge in Iraq where the administration has correctly understood that America must win. But Iraq is the exception, not the rule.

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: appeasement; china; condi; israel; korea; lameduck; legacy; nkorea; northkorea; palestine; syria
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Rosett concludes with these comments: "In this second Bush term, appeasement has become the mantra. The regimes of North Korea and Iran are no less malign than when Bush correctly classed them in 2002 as charter members of the "axis of evil." Nor has Saudi Arabia ceased its export of poisonous Wahhabi teachings [even to the United States]. But the thrust today is to send aid to North Korea, slap Iran on the wrist, haggle with Palestinian terror-sponsora, and sell arms to the Saudis. Pyongyang promises and America delivers. North Korea, long past the deadline for making a full declaration of its entire nuclear program, has just conducted new missile tests. Iran's rulers have abetted terrorism in Iraq, threatened to annihilate Iarael, thumbed their noses at every U.N. resolution. The White House response has been to default via the State Department to the U.N., where last month the Security Council added a third Iran sanctions resolution to the two that have failed already. These are the policies of Sept. 10.
1 posted on 04/12/2008 12:31:48 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink; TigerLikesRooster; Jet Jaguar; SevenofNine
If you check out the NORTH KOREA THREADS on FR, RIGHT HERE [many contributed to by "TigerLikesRooster, Jet Jaguar, Seven of Nine" and others--self included] you will see this is almost the unanimous opinion.

And yet so many of us were supporters of President Bush and Condoleeza Rice in the "old days".

They have caved irretrievably and hopelessly to evil forces around the world. North Korea. Iran. Syria. China. Myanmar. Palestinian terrorists.

It is now fully an AXIS OF APPEASEMENT.

And it disgusts many of us Security-First, Freedom-First, international-oriented Freepers to no end!

We are happy we are in the "lame duck" mode now, but we know things will continue or even worse from 2009. This is serious business.

2 posted on 04/12/2008 12:58:02 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (McCAIN Has Not Become a CONSERVATIVE. So Why The Hell Should *I* Become A RINO?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Bush is not an Emperor, he's a President. Which means he can't do much without support in Congress. He will not get any support from this Democratic Congress, so his hands are tied. Deal with it.

And blame Congress, don't blame the President. Because if the nest Congress is controlled by the Democrats, nothing will change.

3 posted on 04/12/2008 1:14:26 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Right.


4 posted on 04/12/2008 1:20:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: T.L.Sink

Just so everyone knows - “Syria is on notice!”


5 posted on 04/12/2008 1:28:13 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It was my opinion that Bush was in a foreign policy denial mode from about October 1999 on. Even before he held office, he was already revealing the surrender monkey flag to Mexico. He was already signaling that China would be getting the kit glove treatment.

As you pointed out, we had a number of threats out there, and Bush acted as if none of them were all that important, even after 09/11. When the guy said that he wasn’t going to leave any rock unturned in his efforts to seek out and destroy terrorists, my ears perked up a bit. But then we were back to business as usual with regard to our borders or more accurately, a lack thereof. It was business as usual with the Palestinians, Hezballah and all. We were back to warning Israel, telling it what it needed to surrender next in the interest of peace. I had no idea Bush would be this tough on terrorists, or that he actually believed Israel was a terrorist state, but it’s the one he’s making all the demands on.

China knocked our aircraft out of the sky and we sat in a corner like a neutered chijuaua. There was always the WOT to point the finger to, to say Bush was tough on terrorism. Nothing else mattered.

We are looking at a growning number of (terrorist) states with nuclear weapons. We sit back and watch North Korea proliferate nuclear technology to our most ardent adversaries, and play like six nation talks are going to get us anywhere. It’s truly pathetic.

I have been disgusted with Bush since day -365. What bothers me more than his actions/inactions, is the public fawning that has taken place on this forum over the last eight years. These people not only fiddled as Rome burned, they praised, idolized and knelt down to the main fiddler. We have spent eight years watching them pray for Bush, and not one day praying for the nation, or only as an afterthought.

With leaders and supporters like that, why bother trying any longer. It’s truly been a real eye opener to see the complacency even here. We are now poised to put a man even worse into the White House by choice, and folks still don’t realize what a desperate situation our nation is in.

Denial? Bush isn’t the only one sipping from a cup clear full of it.


6 posted on 04/12/2008 1:30:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: Cheburashka

The absurdity of your comments in that post is overwhelming. Please tell us what international efforts intended to take terrorist states to task, that Bush has pushed, that have been shot down by Congress.


7 posted on 04/12/2008 1:32:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Very good references and we’re in complete agreement. Let me add that although this isn’t the first administration or Congress to kick the can down the road and hope that others in the future will deal with matters, seldom have the issues put on the back burner been more serious. A nuclear Iran and Korea change the dynamics of the international power structure so egregiously that things will never be the same. Chamberlain at Munich may have been naive but even he didn’t have the clarity that we have to know what is VERY LIKELY to happen in the future!


8 posted on 04/12/2008 1:35:32 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Cheburashka
"Bush is not an Emperor, he's a President. Which means he can't do much without support in Congress."

He most certainly can. He has the Bully Pulpit. He can go before the American people and expose the so called Democratic Party for the Marxists that they really are.

9 posted on 04/12/2008 1:53:41 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: endthematrix

I’m sure that Jimmy “never met a terrorist I didn’t like” Carter will resolve this in his talks with Hamas and jihadist regimes. After all, look how he groveled and rolled over for the Ayatollah of Iran in 1979!


10 posted on 04/12/2008 1:56:48 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Desron13
Roosevelt's bully pulpit included a Republican Congress. Which President Bush does not have. He has cowards and cretins like Pelosi and Reid.
11 posted on 04/12/2008 2:07:08 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The absurdity is on your part and is of earthshaking proportions. Didn't you notice the Petraeus hearing? Perhaps you didn't notice that the Democrats are on the side of our enemies?

And what would you possibly expect from any international efforts? The international community just wants to hide its collective head in the sand.

12 posted on 04/12/2008 2:21:01 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Cheburashka
I don't disagree that Congress is full of idiots.  I don't disagree that the international community leadership is also full of idiots.  That doesn't absolve our guy for not taking any action.

You do what you can, and if you cannot get people to sign off, then you point that out along with the fact that you tried.

Not trying is what bothers me.  It's a lack of leadership.  We don't move people in our direction, because we don't make our case.

IMO the nation and the policies that would serve it best are not pushed often enough.
13 posted on 04/12/2008 2:28:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Cheburashka

And the Republicans lost Congress because . . .?


14 posted on 04/12/2008 3:20:12 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: Cheburashka

Do you SERIOUSLY still believe Bush is a conservative? I am simply stunned that there are any who believe that to be true.


15 posted on 04/12/2008 3:35:44 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: T.L.Sink

Hasn’t the media over past 5 years blasted Bush and the Pentagon for listening to the CIA in the first place? Besides trying to get Bush at both ends, the media is bringing this to our attention because ...?


16 posted on 04/12/2008 4:18:00 AM PDT by moonman
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To: T.L.Sink

I couldn’t even get into the substance of the article. The writing was so bad it made blood shoot out of my eyes. I learned about run on sentences in seventh grade.


17 posted on 04/12/2008 4:25:02 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: moonman

I don’t really know why but if I had to guess I’d say that was because the CIA (like just about everybody else in the world) was wrong about the WMD in Iraq. Also, George Tenet (Democrat hangover) made a fool of himself with his notorius “slam dunk” remark. By the way, the CIA was neutered by the infamous Church Commission back in the 70’s and made PC by having its great espionage capabilities gutted. In any case, the media went after Bush for everything - what Krauthammer calls the “Bush derangement syndrome.”


18 posted on 04/12/2008 4:42:29 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

America is snakebit and may be nuked before anyone wakes up. We are now a communist country and will die with a quick death, perhaps a nuke attack, or a slow death, as politicians destroy America from within and send our wealth overseas.
Why do the heathen rage, and the people of the earth imagine a vain thing. Or to put it another way,

Psalms 2
1. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2. The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3. Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee.
8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
10. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12. Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


19 posted on 04/12/2008 5:52:21 AM PDT by kindred (I am now a third party conservative, GOP be damned.)
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To: Desron13
"He can go before the American people and expose the so called Democratic Party for the Marxists that they really are."

The man won't even stick up for himself, let alone his party, the military, and, at times, his country. NOW reports are coming out that yes indeedy, Iraq sure did have WMD, a large portion of which are now in Syria--and the President surely had to know this, yet he'd just stand there and look guilty when people accused him of lying to get us into Iraq.

20 posted on 04/12/2008 5:55:28 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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