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Lone Star Justice: Why isn't Utah as bold as Texas about polygamy?
Salt Lake City Weekly.com ^ | 4/10/08 | Holly Mullen

Posted on 04/11/2008 1:57:25 PM PDT by ansel12

Don’t mess with Texas.The slogan used to be reserved for bumper stickers. But on April 3, Texas authorities showed the world a whole new meaning of the phrase—spreading out on a sprawling FLDS compound in Eldorado, ultimately taking more than 400 children of polygamists into custody. They did so, apparently, based on a March 31 phone call from a 16-year-old girl, who claimed to have been forced into marrying a 50-year-old man and to have had his child.

Bam. Done. Round up the kids and many of their mothers. Give them safety and shelter. Detain the men on the YFZ Ranch. Bring on the search warrants. Ask questions later. In this landmark case of child protection, that’s how it’s done deep in the heart of Texas.

Utah was never so bold. When we had our chance to clean up a similar mess over decades, our blessed state wimped out. Legal authorities have fussed and fretted for more than a half-century, since the infamous 1953 raid on Arizona’s Short Creek, where 160 children were rounded up and kept in state custody for two years. It’s been Utah’s policy—forged in the past eight years, primarily by Attorney General Mark Shurtleff—to work slowly and practically with FLDS communities and in prosecuting men who groom little girls to be their sex partners and take them as underage wives.

For eight years, Shurtleff has said he finds the behavior of convicted sex criminal Warren S. Jeffs and his followers reprehensible. Shurtleff has said he’ll fully prosecute anyone who forces a young girl into marriage—because that goes far beyond anyone’s right to free practice of religion.

Authorities got their big fish last year—one-time FLDS prophet Jeffs—after he’d been on the run since 2006. A St. George jury found him an accomplice to the rape of Elissa Wall, for arranging her underage marriage some years ago to an adult male.Meanwhile, for years—decades—children on the Utah side of the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints enclave have been raised in isolation and brainwashed to believe that grown men have the patriarchal right to impregnate girls who still have one foot in puberty.

As Jeffs fought his legal battles unfolding in Utah and Arizona, hundreds of his followers fled to Eldorado, where they scratched out a whole new compound on 1,691 acres in West Texas. They went about their work earnestly, trying to keep a low profile. They built a towering limestone temple and their trademark big, boxy houses and outbuildings.Utah politicians and law enforcement officials have a 160-year history of living with polygamy. For many, “the principle” is a part of their sacred ancestral heritage, which has somehow kept it from serious scrutiny. For so many others, polygamy remains just another element of Utah’s wacky religious back-story—like inexplicable liquor laws and closing off public access to Main Street. And that means that as time passes, polygamy and the outgrowth of child abuse come to be seen as silly cultural icons worthy of only an eye roll.

Fortunately, Texas wasn’t hoisting that baggage. When hundreds of FLDS followers began moving in, authorities took notice. It isn’t that Texans haven’t had their share of odd religious sects and subcultures—the ill-fated followers of David Koresh, whose compound was burned down in a 1993 siege being a recent example. So they watched another bizarre and secretive sect moving in and got busy.

Almost simultaneously with the establishment of the YFZ Ranch, Texas legislators raised the legal age for marriage to 16. It was one effort to head off any problems—they hoped—with underage marriages in Eldorado.

Harassment? Religious persecution? Hardly. It’s about time someone took polygamy as practiced by the FLDS seriously. Taking young girls as wives is wrong. It isn’t a civil right and it isn’t a quaint lifestyle. Texas had the advantage of knowing little about the practice, and when the time came to go out and protect children suspected to have been abused, the state did not hesitate.

As I write this, men who have been detained at the YFZ are crying out against Texas cops and social-service authorities. They have hired lawyers to represent their interests and that is their right. The case Texas is trying to build against the clan in Eldorado is in process. Like most child welfare cases, it is slow going, piecemeal and light on specifics. These problems are increased tenfold when trying to gain information from a society whose trademarks are secrecy, isolation and pathological distrust of government and civil authority.

Authorities have yet to identify the girl who tipped them off. Perhaps she doesn’t exist. But an exhaustive search of the compound is going down and, given the history of the FLDS, it’s likely some stone of criminal evidence will be uncovered.And if not? At least Texas took a stand and turned an ear toward a population that should matter most but seldom does: children. Their fathers can scream all day about their rights; at least they have a voice.

Utah should be such a busybody.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: cult; flds; hemanmormonhaters; jeffs; lds; mormon; mormonism; mormons; polygamy; texas
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To: QBFimi
"Funny, why do I keep getting the idea that we’re having a repeat of "

I am a Texan and an American, I don't don't remember the first time that WE did anything like that, so WE can't repeat it.

America is not a breath away from repeating every evil that has ever been done by other nations, at other times, in world history.

41 posted on 04/11/2008 2:43:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: QBFimi

I would imagine they aren’t so aggressive since it isn’t that big a deal compared to homosexual behavior and other deviants demanding special rights and protection of perverted behavior.


42 posted on 04/11/2008 2:50:00 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: MEGoody
That was lame, just saying nonsense back does not change the facts. For people that want to learn something about the scale of debauchery and level of influence that this powerful movement has, and is gaining more of, (at least until they opened a branch in Texas) here is a starter link. Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
43 posted on 04/11/2008 2:51:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: MEGoody
It is also abusing and destroying lives.
Agreed. So is Phelps.

Phelps is scum, but can you point out the number of pregnant children among his followers? Specifically the ones under the age of 16. I just don't see that your comparison works.

I'm sure that there are those of Phelps' victims who have been hurt badly, and I would rejoice if he were stopped. However, don't compare that to the destruction of the lives of children.

45 posted on 04/11/2008 2:54:22 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (New apologist mantra..and defense.."love the POLYGAMY sin" but hate the sinner.")
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To: MEGoody
The FLDS is to Mormonism what Fred Phelps and his ‘church’ is to Baptists.

How many Batists have you seen that defend "Fred"?

46 posted on 04/11/2008 2:55:10 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: muir_redwoods
Same thing the Muslims do in Europe( and the US). Multiple wives, many children, welfare. Meanwhile working class, just above welfare are taxed such that they can not afford children. Also, with open boarders the working/trade class is made to take the hit while upper class paper shufflers get cheap help and even government workers get more work due to welfare and crime.
47 posted on 04/11/2008 2:56:38 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: MEGoody
Probably depends on which Baptist church you attended decades ago.

I cannot say that there never was a Baptist church that taught that, "God hates fags". I can't prove a negative but can you point me to a reference where a Baptist church taught that?

48 posted on 04/11/2008 2:57:05 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: nina0113

She may be that girl, holding a baby that looked at her “husband” who told her she was 18. She would be one of the first that I would rule out.


49 posted on 04/11/2008 2:57:59 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Morgana

You know that all you are going to get from that is starting a discussion of why FLDS is very representative of Mormonism and the other sects of the Latter Day Saint movement.


51 posted on 04/11/2008 3:00:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (This cult stuff is grossing me out.)
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To: CindyDawg
How many Batists have you seen that defend "Fred"?

Good point.

52 posted on 04/11/2008 3:00:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: QBFimi

“The _________ church is NOT the true church.”

You are a braver man than I, Gunga Din.

I refuse to embrace that Tar Baby, lest I risk being thrown into the briar patch. In that undesirable habitat lurk undesirable featherless bipeds - Libroids, slobbering lawyers in frenzied search of the “Fee”, child advocacy droolers, Mormon newsies deep in denial, ad nauseam.

The instant issue boils down to whether the marriage was entered into willingly by both partners.

Throughout history, women old enough to have children sometimes sought out older men for a variety of reasons. In recent history, two of the towering intellects of humanism were Will & Arial Durant. Google her age at marriage, her mothers instructions to the Judge, etc.

And lest any of the denizens of the aforementioned Briar Patch slept through their history classes, one of the Queens of France ascended to the throne of France years before her 16 th birthday.

She was married a year before her coronation, as I remember. History has lots of females who did not need either Briar Patch denizens or legal “emancipated female” status to function on the field of battle, at court, holding court, etc.

Consent is the core issue. That, and competency.

At least Texas was spared having to wade through the pool of limitless cess of same sex marriages, inter-species ‘marriages’ (if animals have rights, marriage is one such right - sorry PETA), and all the other manifestations of what Sigmund Freud aptly described as the polymorphously perverse sexual proclivities of man.

One last thing, I am not Mormon. I am anti-hypocrite and anti-nanny state. The last tends to make me anti goober, as in gooberment agency drone.


53 posted on 04/11/2008 3:00:44 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Morgana

I like your graphic ;)


54 posted on 04/11/2008 3:01:08 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (New apologist mantra..and defense.."love the POLYGAMY sin" but hate the sinner.")
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To: Graybeard58

HMM. How did that get thru spell check? :’)


55 posted on 04/11/2008 3:02:59 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

I didn’t even notice it, until you brought it up.


56 posted on 04/11/2008 3:05:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58; CindyDawg
BATIST
57 posted on 04/11/2008 3:07:07 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (New apologist mantra..and defense.."love the POLYGAMY sin" but hate the sinner.")
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To: Graybeard58

Well...I figured I would bust myself instead of waiting around for someone else to do it.


58 posted on 04/11/2008 3:09:30 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: QBFimi
How about...

“When they came for the child molesters, I said hooray, because I am against molesting children”

Does not compute to you? We don't care what their religion is. We don't think they should rape and impregnate children. And we also don't like them doing it on taxpayer money by placing these children with children on welfare.

59 posted on 04/11/2008 3:11:26 PM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal." Napoleon Dynamite)
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